Chiefs are 63m under the cap

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Orton
Carr
Bowe
Soliai
"starting quality interior linemen"
"starting quality offensive tackle"

Do that and have a solid draft and it will be an interesting year in 2012.

I'd take it

At this point Orton might be our best realistic move.

I really want to keep Carr.

Bowe can stay or go as long as helps the team with a trade or something when he leaves. btw i don't hate Bowe i just wonder how much money he wants and he might be our most valuable piece to do something dramatic to improve the team.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Laz

I'd take it

At this point Orton might be our best realistic move.

I really want to keep Carr.

Bowe can stay or go as long as helps the team with a trade or something when he leaves. btw i don't hate Bowe i just wonder how much money he wants and he might be our most valuable piece to do something dramatic to improve the team.

I get what you're getting at.

Trade Bowe, along with picks to the Rams for the #2 pick, right?

The problem the Rams have is that they are already up against the cap'
They are probably going to have to make cuts in order to sign their draft picks.

They can not afford to give Bowe the contract that he wants.

The only way the Chiefs can make that trade is to sign Bowe long term, then make that trade, meaning they have to absorb the bonus cap hit.

They won't do that.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

I get what you're getting at.

Trade Bowe, along with picks to the Rams for the #2 pick, right?

The problem the Rams have is that they are already up against the cap'
They are probably going to have to make cuts in order to sign their draft picks.

They can not afford to give Bowe the contract that he wants.

The only way the Chiefs can make that trade is to sign Bowe long term, then make that trade, meaning they have to absorb the bonus cap hit.

They won't do that.

This, plus...

Who in their right mind would want an expensive Bowe when you can get Blackmon, a player who will probably be much better than Bowe, for significantly cheaper?

I don't understand why people think the Chiefs have any kind of ammo to get the Rams' pick. If the Browns want RGIII, and they probably will, they have a pick that allows the Rams to still take a surefire, elite player who will cost pennies, and if I'm looking at future compensation? I'd MUCH rather get the Browns' first round picks than the Chiefs'.

I really can't imagine many trades we can make that the Rams would want to make with the Chiefs if the Browns make a serious offer.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This, plus...

Who in their right mind would want an expensive Bowe when you can get Blackmon, a player who will probably be much better than Bowe, for significantly cheaper?

I don't understand why people think the Chiefs have any kind of ammo to get the Rams' pick. If the Browns want RGIII, and they probably will, they have a pick that allows the Rams to still take a surefire, elite player who will cost pennies, and if I'm looking at future compensation? I'd MUCH rather get the Browns' first round picks than the Chiefs'.

I really can't imagine many trades we can make that the Rams would want to make with the Chiefs if the Browns make a serious offer.

and i don't understand why you can't comprehend it

Bowe = proven
Blackmon = not proven

Bowe = ready to go
Blackmon = WR's typical take a few years to 'get it'

Bowe = little risk
Blackmon = draft picks are always risky, especially at WR

Rams need someone NOW for Bradford

now having said that, the group of FA wide receivers is pretty deep so the Rams will probably sign one of them instead of trading for Bowe.

But clearly Bowe provides several things that Blackmon probably doesn't in his 1st year.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Laz

and i don't understand why you can't comprehend it

Bowe = proven
Blackmon = not proven

Bowe = ready to go
Blackmon = WR's typical take a few years to 'get it'

Bowe = little risk
Blackmon = draft picks are always risky, especially at WR

Rams need someone NOW for Bradford

now having said that, the group of FA wide receivers is pretty deep so the Rams will probably sign one of them instead of trading for Bowe.

But clearly Bowe provides several things that Blackmon probably doesn't in his 1st year.

This all assumes that the Rams are so desperate that they'd want to win today.

Blackmon gives you 10 years, Bowe maybe gives you 5. Blackmon has the upside to be Megatron good, Bowe is pretty much a fringe pro bowler (very good, but not elite). Blackmon is a hell of a lot less expensive, which is critical given the Rams' need to clean out their payroll.

As for the risks... while most receivers have risk, Blackmon isn't just any receiver. Blackmon, to me, is as surefire as Megatron was years ago.

If I'm the Rams, this decision is extremely easy.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This all assumes that the Rams are so desperate that they'd want to win today.

Blackmon gives you 10 years, Bowe maybe gives you 5. Blackmon has the upside to be Megatron good, Bowe is pretty much a fringe pro bowler (very good, but not elite). Blackmon is a hell of a lot less expensive, which is critical given the Rams' need to clean out their payroll.

As for the risks... while most receivers have risk, Blackmon isn't just any receiver. Blackmon, to me, is as surefire as Megatron was years ago.

If I'm the Rams, this decision is extremely easy.

Absolute hogwash. He's on a similar if not better track than Andre Johnson through 5 years in the league with shit QB play to boot. He absolutely can be an elite reciever in this league.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by PGM

Absolute hogwash. He's on a similar if not better track than Andre Johnson through 5 years in the league with shit QB play to boot. He absolutely can be an elite reciever in this league.

Bowe is a good receiver. I would sign him to a huge contract yesterday.

But is he in the same class as Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, or Megatron? Absolutely not. And that has nothing to do with the QB. When I see Bowe take over games the way they do, maybe. Statistically, yes, he matches up. But he's not in the same league as those guys.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This all assumes that the Rams are so desperate that they'd want to win today.

Blackmon gives you 10 years, Bowe maybe gives you 5. Blackmon has the upside to be Megatron good, Bowe is pretty much a fringe pro bowler (very good, but not elite). Blackmon is a hell of a lot less expensive, which is critical given the Rams' need to clean out their payroll.

As for the risks... while most receivers have risk, Blackmon isn't just any receiver. Blackmon, to me, is as surefire as Megatron was years ago.

If I'm the Rams, this decision is extremely easy.

well ... i imagine if your job was on the line it wouldn't be as easy to 'not win' as it is from your recliner.

Hey, if the Rams agreed that Blackmon is the next Calvin Johnson then they will take him no matter what.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This all assumes that the Rams are so desperate that they'd want to win today.

Blackmon gives you 10 years, Bowe maybe gives you 5. Blackmon has the upside to be Megatron good, Bowe is pretty much a fringe pro bowler (very good, but not elite). Blackmon is a hell of a lot less expensive, which is critical given the Rams' need to clean out their payroll.

As for the risks... while most receivers have risk, Blackmon isn't just any receiver. Blackmon, to me, is as surefire as Megatron was years ago.

If I'm the Rams, this decision is extremely easy.

You are on a roll brother!!!

There is a reason the Rams fired their GM.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This, plus...

Who in their right mind would want an expensive Bowe when you can get Blackmon, a player who will probably be much better than Bowe, for significantly cheaper?

I don't understand why people think the Chiefs have any kind of ammo to get the Rams' pick. If the Browns want RGIII, and they probably will, they have a pick that allows the Rams to still take a surefire, elite player who will cost pennies, and if I'm looking at future compensation? I'd MUCH rather get the Browns' first round picks than the Chiefs'.

I really can't imagine many trades we can make that the Rams would want to make with the Chiefs if the Browns make a serious offer.

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