Chiefs Chiefs are 63m under the cap - Page 16

ShowtimeSBMVP · 02-10-2012, 01:43 PM

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chiefzilla1501 · 02-11-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I get what you're getting at.

Trade Bowe, along with picks to the Rams for the #2 pick, right?

The problem the Rams have is that they are already up against the cap'
They are probably going to have to make cuts in order to sign their draft picks.

They can not afford to give Bowe the contract that he wants.

The only way the Chiefs can make that trade is to sign Bowe long term, then make that trade, meaning they have to absorb the bonus cap hit.

They won't do that.

This, plus...

Who in their right mind would want an expensive Bowe when you can get Blackmon, a player who will probably be much better than Bowe, for significantly cheaper?

I don't understand why people think the Chiefs have any kind of ammo to get the Rams' pick. If the Browns want RGIII, and they probably will, they have a pick that allows the Rams to still take a surefire, elite player who will cost pennies, and if I'm looking at future compensation? I'd MUCH rather get the Browns' first round picks than the Chiefs'.

I really can't imagine many trades we can make that the Rams would want to make with the Chiefs if the Browns make a serious offer.

O.city · 02-11-2012, 11:05 AM

There is gonna be some solid safeties in free agency as well. Atleast some we could sign for depth, if we don't want to draft one.

Michael Griffin if he would come cheap but I doubt that. Maybe Huff from Oakland.

We are set up to do some damage this offseason, we just need to make the right moves.

Mr. Laz · 02-11-2012, 11:17 AM

Anatomy of the NFL 30-Percent Rule
By Dominic Perilli

Often times with young, stud players such as Chris Johnson, Darrelle Revis, DeSean Jackson, and Patrick Willis, we hear a lot about what is called the 30% rule. The 30% rule basically states that a player’s new deal cannot be an increase of the annual salary of the rookie deal by more than 30 percent.

When calculating the 30% amount of a contract, you must add everything but the signing bonus and other escalators (base salary + Option Bonus + Roster Bonus).

Here is a quick example:

As you can see, 30% of the total salary in 2010 is $195,000. Therefore, in the new deal the total salary each year can only increase or decrease by $195,000, and nothing more. Here is how the rule will be applied after signing a new deal:

Some of you may be asking why we sometimes see players like Patrick Willis getting these mega deals while still on his rookie contract. Well, that is what signing bonuses and escalators are for. Teams often give a player like Willis a huge signing bonus and a lot of easily achievable escalators.

Let’s face it – The rules in the NFL CBA are mostly on the side of the individual teams and not the players. This is mostly evident in the fact that a club can end a player’s contract if he doesn’t perform well enough. The player cannot just terminate his contract if he’s not happy, so that’s why we hear a lot about holdouts. When I was younger boy entering my teens, I would often stage holdouts at my house. I knew I had no say in my household and the rules heavily favored my parents. In order to combat that, I would refuse to go out when my parents wanted to. That’s kind of a random example, but hopefully makes the situation more clear.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-11-2012, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

There is gonna be some solid safeties in free agency as well. Atleast some we could sign for depth, if we don't want to draft one.

Michael Griffin if he would come cheap but I doubt that. Maybe Huff from Oakland.

We are set up to do some damage this offseason, we just need to make the right moves.

I think we absolutely can. And I think we absolutely will. There's a few things the Chiefs seem to be doing post-Haley firing that lead me to believe a lot of things are about to change.

Mr. Laz · 02-11-2012, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This, plus...

Who in their right mind would want an expensive Bowe when you can get Blackmon, a player who will probably be much better than Bowe, for significantly cheaper?

I don't understand why people think the Chiefs have any kind of ammo to get the Rams' pick. If the Browns want RGIII, and they probably will, they have a pick that allows the Rams to still take a surefire, elite player who will cost pennies, and if I'm looking at future compensation? I'd MUCH rather get the Browns' first round picks than the Chiefs'.

I really can't imagine many trades we can make that the Rams would want to make with the Chiefs if the Browns make a serious offer.

and i don't understand why you can't comprehend it

Bowe = proven
Blackmon = not proven

Bowe = ready to go
Blackmon = WR's typical take a few years to 'get it'

Bowe = little risk
Blackmon = draft picks are always risky, especially at WR

Rams need someone NOW for Bradford

now having said that, the group of FA wide receivers is pretty deep so the Rams will probably sign one of them instead of trading for Bowe.

But clearly Bowe provides several things that Blackmon probably doesn't in his 1st year.

O.city · 02-11-2012, 11:26 AM

Bowe also costs alot of money, Blackmon doesn't.

They can basically get Blackmon for 10 dollars instead of 100 for Bowe.'

The Rams also aren't building for next year. They don't need a wr for Bradford next year, they need the guy for hte next 7 or 8.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-11-2012, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

and i don't understand why you can't comprehend it

Bowe = proven
Blackmon = not proven

Bowe = ready to go
Blackmon = WR's typical take a few years to 'get it'

Bowe = little risk
Blackmon = draft picks are always risky, especially at WR

Rams need someone NOW for Bradford

now having said that, the group of FA wide receivers is pretty deep so the Rams will probably sign one of them instead of trading for Bowe.

But clearly Bowe provides several things that Blackmon probably doesn't in his 1st year.

This all assumes that the Rams are so desperate that they'd want to win today.

Blackmon gives you 10 years, Bowe maybe gives you 5. Blackmon has the upside to be Megatron good, Bowe is pretty much a fringe pro bowler (very good, but not elite). Blackmon is a hell of a lot less expensive, which is critical given the Rams' need to clean out their payroll.

As for the risks... while most receivers have risk, Blackmon isn't just any receiver. Blackmon, to me, is as surefire as Megatron was years ago.

If I'm the Rams, this decision is extremely easy.

Mr. Laz · 02-11-2012, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Bowe also costs alot of money, Blackmon doesn't.

They can basically get Blackmon for 10 dollars instead of 100 for Bowe.'

The Rams also aren't building for next year. They don't need a wr for Bradford next year, they need the guy for hte next 7 or 8.

if they want Bradford to survive long enough to be a QBoTF they need playmakers now ... not in a few years.

Whether it's Bowe or somebody else, the Rams should get a proven veteran immediately.

A veteran WR and a LT should be the Rams top priorities now

Pasta Little Brioni · 02-11-2012, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This all assumes that the Rams are so desperate that they'd want to win today.

Blackmon gives you 10 years, Bowe maybe gives you 5. Blackmon has the upside to be Megatron good, Bowe is pretty much a fringe pro bowler (very good, but not elite). Blackmon is a hell of a lot less expensive, which is critical given the Rams' need to clean out their payroll.

As for the risks... while most receivers have risk, Blackmon isn't just any receiver. Blackmon, to me, is as surefire as Megatron was years ago.

If I'm the Rams, this decision is extremely easy.

Absolute hogwash. He's on a similar if not better track than Andre Johnson through 5 years in the league with shit QB play to boot. He absolutely can be an elite reciever in this league.

Chiefshrink · 02-11-2012, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This, plus...

Who in their right mind would want an expensive Bowe when you can get Blackmon, a player who will probably be much better than Bowe, for significantly cheaper?

I don't understand why people think the Chiefs have any kind of ammo to get the Rams' pick. If the Browns want RGIII, and they probably will, they have a pick that allows the Rams to still take a surefire, elite player who will cost pennies, and if I'm looking at future compensation? I'd MUCH rather get the Browns' first round picks than the Chiefs'.

I really can't imagine many trades we can make that the Rams would want to make with the Chiefs if the Browns make a serious offer.

BINGO !!!

Mr. Laz · 02-11-2012, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This all assumes that the Rams are so desperate that they'd want to win today.

Blackmon gives you 10 years, Bowe maybe gives you 5. Blackmon has the upside to be Megatron good, Bowe is pretty much a fringe pro bowler (very good, but not elite). Blackmon is a hell of a lot less expensive, which is critical given the Rams' need to clean out their payroll.

As for the risks... while most receivers have risk, Blackmon isn't just any receiver. Blackmon, to me, is as surefire as Megatron was years ago.

If I'm the Rams, this decision is extremely easy.

well ... i imagine if your job was on the line it wouldn't be as easy to 'not win' as it is from your recliner.

Hey, if the Rams agreed that Blackmon is the next Calvin Johnson then they will take him no matter what.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-11-2012, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

if they want Bradford to survive long enough to be a QBoTF they need playmakers now ... not in a few years.

Whether it's Bowe or somebody else, the Rams should get a proven veteran immediately.

A veteran WR and a LT should be the Rams top priorities now

The Rams have a very good veteran in Brandon Lloyd already. Blackmon would do fine as a #2 WR--even if it takes him time to develop, it's hard to believe it would take him long to be a significant upgrade at #2.

If their top priority is LT, that makes the argument for Bowe even worse. Because you can draft a stud LT like Kalil and use free agency to bring in a receiver. Unlike WR, for a team that has no money, that's going to be a very difficult position for the Rams to get past #4.

Nightfyre · 02-11-2012, 11:42 AM

Blackmon isn't even close to megatron elite. I don't know where you are getting this shit.

Chiefshrink · 02-11-2012, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This all assumes that the Rams are so desperate that they'd want to win today.

Blackmon gives you 10 years, Bowe maybe gives you 5. Blackmon has the upside to be Megatron good, Bowe is pretty much a fringe pro bowler (very good, but not elite). Blackmon is a hell of a lot less expensive, which is critical given the Rams' need to clean out their payroll.

As for the risks... while most receivers have risk, Blackmon isn't just any receiver. Blackmon, to me, is as surefire as Megatron was years ago.

If I'm the Rams, this decision is extremely easy.

You are on a roll brother!!!

There is a reason the Rams fired their GM.

Mr. Laz · 02-11-2012, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The Rams have a very good veteran in Brandon Lloyd already. Blackmon would do fine as a #2 WR--even if it takes him time to develop, it's hard to believe it would take him long to be a significant upgrade at #2.

If their top priority is LT, that makes the argument for Bowe even worse. Because you can draft a stud LT like Kalil and use free agency to bring in a receiver. Unlike WR, for a team that has no money, that's going to be a very difficult position for the Rams to get past #4.

well ... you have it all figured out then.

you should talk to the Rams about a job.

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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Anatomy of the NFL 30-Percent Rule By Dominic Perilli Often times with young, stud players such as Chris Johnson, Darrelle Revis, DeSean Jackson, and Patrick Willis, we hear a lot about what is called the 30% rule. The 30% rule basically states that a player’s new deal cannot be an increase of the annual salary of the rookie deal by more than 30 percent. When calculating the 30% amount of a contract, you must add everything but the signing bonus and other escalators (base salary + Option Bonus + Roster Bonus). Here is a quick example: As you can see, 30% of the total salary in 2010 is $195,000. Therefore, in the new deal the total salary each year can only increase or decrease by $195,000, and nothing more. Here is how the rule will be applied after signing a new deal: Some of you may be asking why we sometimes see players like Patrick Willis getting these mega deals while still on his rookie contract. Well, that is what signing bonuses and escalators are for. Teams often give a player like Willis a huge signing bonus and a lot of easily achievable escalators. Let’s face it – The rules in the NFL CBA are mostly on the side of the individual teams and not the players. This is mostly evident in the fact that a club can end a player’s contract if he doesn’t perform well enough. The player cannot just terminate his contract if he’s not happy, so that’s why we hear a lot about holdouts. When I was younger boy entering my teens, I would often stage holdouts at my house. I knew I had no say in my household and the rules heavily favored my parents. In order to combat that, I would refuse to go out when my parents wanted to. That’s kind of a random example, but hopefully makes the situation more clear. __________________ Last edited by Mr. Laz; 02-11-2012 at 11:31 AM..
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	Bowe also costs alot of money, Blackmon doesn't. They can basically get Blackmon for 10 dollars instead of 100 for Bowe.' The Rams also aren't building for next year. They don't need a wr for Bradford next year, they need the guy for hte next 7 or 8.
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Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $1298849	Blackmon isn't even close to megatron elite. I don't know where you are getting this shit.
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