Worried: Someone tell me why we won't get murdered by Atlanta.

[Frankie]

Our D might well end up a good one as the season progresses. But I'm very very worried about the first game. Not just to lose, but to lose discouragingly big.

1- Our DL while solid has not shown signs of wreaking havoc in the opponents' backfield. Yes I'm told that's the style of 34 Romeo plays. But wait....

2- Without Tamba Hali Ryan will have all day to throw, especially considering point 1.

3- The thought of Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Gonzo, against our depleted secondary stresses me to almost puking.

This is gonna be one of those games when we see passes completed against our D with scary consistency. The only way we have any chance to win this is if we can manage long time consuming run heavy drives that would keep the Atlanta O on the bench for the majority of the game. Maybe that's why Daboll was emphasizing the run in the last preseason game so much.

Tell me something hopeful.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You don't reach for a position just to pick that said position.

Yet that's exactly what they did regarding Tyson Jackson.

[O.city]

At this point in time, the nfl is all about the qb. You can't sit around and wait for one, gotta be proactive


So there wasn't a guy available when we picked, there were guys available via trading picks etc

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by O.city

At this point in time, the nfl is all about the qb. You can't sit around and wait for one, gotta be proactive


So there wasn't a guy available when we picked, there were guys available via trading picks etc

Exactly this.

I'm sick of the excuses:

"QB X, Y and Z weren't available."

"This place would have gone nuts had we "reached" on QB A, B or C."

"QB D, E and F are shitty with their current teams, therefore they would have been shitty here."

"The QB class of [insert year here] is better anyway, I guarantee Pioli will take one then."

It's all bullshit.

RGIII supposedly wasn't available to the Redskins.

Who gives a shit if people here shit bricks if we "reach" for a QB? If he pans out, no one will be bitching. If he doesn't, we try again. I'd rather try and fail 10 times with QB's than take even one Tyson Jackson.

No one has any clue how other QB's would have played here, or for that matter, how the rest of their career will turn out. Some of you have declared young QB's busts after one poor season - even if it was preceded by a phenomenal one.

Enough with the bullshit excuses. Grow a pair, and take a QB in R1.

And if you fail, do it again until you succeed.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And I ask again, who was he supposed to take at QB that would have justified the pick?

We weren't getting Stafford. We weren't getting Bradford. We weren't getting Luck or Griffin.

So...Sanchez? Tebow? Clausen? Weeden?

You dont' pick a QB just to pick a QB. You don't reach for a position just to pick that said position. And if they picked up a guy like Dalton, Foles, Wilson, etc., there is about a 98.9% chance that they were going to be second or third string anyway.

Especially when you had a quarterback on roster who was fresh off a Pro Bowl appearance in 2010.

Joe Flacco? I realize that's pre-Pioli.

Also, this team reaches for players all the time. It's silly and pretentious to act like they haven't done it over and over.

[O.city]

Onthewp is pretty much right, save for the keep tryin thing. You may not get many chances if you go all in on a qb and fail but gotta have the nuts to try

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by O.city

Onthewp is pretty much right, save for the keep tryin thing. You may not get many chances if you go all in on a qb and fail but gotta have the nuts to try

You try when the opportunity presents itself. You don't reach for mediocrity.

The Jackson argument is one that Pioli wins. We didn't have a true five tech on this roster when he came in and Jackson was the best potential for that position in that draft. And guess what? He's now playing like one of the best five techs in the league and the stats back him up.

At this point I sure as hell would rather have Jackson versus Sanchez. And this place would have went freaking ballistic if they picked Freeman at #3.

In fact, as it stands, I think you take only Clay Matthews and possibly BJ Raji over Jackson in that draft.

In 2010, we were not getting Bradford no matter how much you wanted to pony up. So, do you reach for Tebow over Eric Berry?

In 2011, quarterbacks went quick and a lot went much earlier than was anticipated. Were you willing to forgo Jon Baldwin and Rod Hudson to trade up for Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder?

In 2012, we were not getting Luck. Indy wasn't going to trade that pick for five full drafts. Griffin commanded a lot of picks...would you be willing to give up Poe, Allen and a shot at someone like Wilson, Jones, Smith or Bray in 2013?
Would you have been happy to give up multiple picks to move up for Tannehill and forgo the chance at previously said QB's in 2013?

It's about building a team, not mortaging your future on a position because we haven't picked that position in the first round in a while.

You all need to be a bit more objective and rational.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Griffin commanded a lot of picks...would you be willing to give up Poe, Allen and a shot at someone like Wilson, Jones, Smith or Bray in 2013?
.

Is this a serious question?

[mcaj22]

i would have been more excited about this season if it was Russel Wilson instead of the raw turd offensive lineman project we drafted.

I'm glad Pioli has a hard on for d-line and o-line in the draft.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You try when the opportunity presents itself. You don't reach for mediocrity.

The Jackson argument is one that Pioli wins. We didn't have a true five tech on this roster when he came in and Jackson was the best potential for that position in that draft. And guess what? He's now playing like one of the best five techs in the league and the stats back him up.

At this point I sure as hell would rather have Jackson versus Sanchez. And this place would have went freaking ballistic if they picked Freeman at #3.

In fact, as it stands, I think you take only Clay Matthews and possibly BJ Raji over Jackson in that draft.

In 2010, we were not getting Bradford no matter how much you wanted to pony up. So, do you reach for Tebow over Eric Berry?

In 2011, quarterbacks went quick and a lot went much earlier than was anticipated. Were you willing to forgo Jon Baldwin and Rod Hudson to trade up for Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder?

In 2012, we were not getting Luck. Indy wasn't going to trade that pick for five full drafts. Griffin commanded a lot of picks...would you be willing to give up Poe, Allen and a shot at someone like Wilson, Jones, Smith or Bray in 2013?
Would you have been happy to give up multiple picks to move up for Tannehill and forgo the chance at previously said QB's in 2013?

It's about building a team, not mortaging your future on a position because we haven't picked that position in the first round in a while.

You all need to be a bit more objective and rational.

would i give up poe for Griffin?



you're applying the famous Chiefsplanet risk double standard

drafting a QB is risky

drafting an under achieving NT from a shitty conference is not risky

bottom line: we've spent 3 top eleven picks on the DL...and a 2nd on a backup QB

it's not defensible

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

i would have been more excited about this season if it was Russel Wilson instead of the raw turd offensive lineman project we drafted.

I'm glad Pioli has a hard on for d-line and o-line in the draft.

Those O-linemen actually had a pretty good Preseason and showed flashes. Im kinda excited about them. The same way i was excited about Hudson last season.

Regarding the Wilson thing:

The Chiefs missed. As did 31 other teams. An un expected player emerges every year, bfd.

This fanbase, and likely Pioli, thought Stanzi would be our Wilson. Back to the drawing board with that one apparently.

Wish we woulda made a poll before the draft: Stanzi vs Wilson.

Remind me to do that with this coming draft so we can put an end to this revisionist shit.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

i would have been more excited about this season if it was Russel Wilson instead of the raw turd offensive lineman project we drafted.

I'm glad Pioli has a hard on for d-line and o-line in the draft.

Only because he had a great preseason. If he doesn't blow up, or if Seattle did what every other team in the league would have done and put him behind the veteran, you wouldn't even know this guys name. The Wilson argument is bullshit. I didn't see a single person going apeshit that we didn't take this guy in the second or third round.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

would i give up poe for Griffin?



you're applying the famous Chiefsplanet risk double standard

drafting a QB is risky

drafting an under achieving NT from a shitty conference is not risky

bottom line: we've spent 3 top eleven picks on the DL...and a 2nd on a backup QB

it's not defensible

Not just Poe. What did the Skins give up for Griffin? Three first round picks and a second.

He better be Joe Montana for that to pay off.

It's completely defensible.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Not just Poe. What did the Skins give up for Griffin? Three first round picks and a second.

He better be Joe Montana for that to pay off.

It's completely defensible.

yeah..much more important to have jackson and poe and mccluster...

like i said...this is old news, same shit we've heard from chiefs fans for decades...

"oh no! it risky!"

[Caseyguyrr]

I'm extremely nervous for Sunday, keep having flashbacks of the horrifying opener from last year

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yeah..much more important to have jackson and poe and mccluster...

like i said...this is old news, same shit we've heard from chiefs fans for decades...

"oh no! it risky!"

It's not risky to pick a QB in the first round.

It's risky to pick a QB in the first round just to pick one.

Like I said, the timing is right for one next draft. It's deep, the top four senior QB prospects are all very good QB's who are near identical in most comparable traits.

If they get the opportunity to get one next year and don't, I'm going to have a bit of a problem then, but I'm not going to bitch about missing out on picking Tebow, Sanchez, Clausen or even Freeman at this point just because we need to pick that position in the first round.