Worried: Someone tell me why we won't get murdered by Atlanta.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You try when the opportunity presents itself. You don't reach for mediocrity.

The Jackson argument is one that Pioli wins. We didn't have a true five tech on this roster when he came in and Jackson was the best potential for that position in that draft. And guess what? He's now playing like one of the best five techs in the league and the stats back him up.

At this point I sure as hell would rather have Jackson versus Sanchez. And this place would have went freaking ballistic if they picked Freeman at #3.

In fact, as it stands, I think you take only Clay Matthews and possibly BJ Raji over Jackson in that draft.

In 2010, we were not getting Bradford no matter how much you wanted to pony up. So, do you reach for Tebow over Eric Berry?

In 2011, quarterbacks went quick and a lot went much earlier than was anticipated. Were you willing to forgo Jon Baldwin and Rod Hudson to trade up for Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder?

In 2012, we were not getting Luck. Indy wasn't going to trade that pick for five full drafts. Griffin commanded a lot of picks...would you be willing to give up Poe, Allen and a shot at someone like Wilson, Jones, Smith or Bray in 2013?
Would you have been happy to give up multiple picks to move up for Tannehill and forgo the chance at previously said QB's in 2013?

It's about building a team, not mortaging your future on a position because we haven't picked that position in the first round in a while.

You all need to be a bit more objective and rational.

would i give up poe for Griffin?



you're applying the famous Chiefsplanet risk double standard

drafting a QB is risky

drafting an under achieving NT from a shitty conference is not risky

bottom line: we've spent 3 top eleven picks on the DL...and a 2nd on a backup QB

it's not defensible

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

would i give up poe for Griffin?



you're applying the famous Chiefsplanet risk double standard

drafting a QB is risky

drafting an under achieving NT from a shitty conference is not risky

bottom line: we've spent 3 top eleven picks on the DL...and a 2nd on a backup QB

it's not defensible

Not just Poe. What did the Skins give up for Griffin? Three first round picks and a second.

He better be Joe Montana for that to pay off.

It's completely defensible.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Not just Poe. What did the Skins give up for Griffin? Three first round picks and a second.

He better be Joe Montana for that to pay off.

It's completely defensible.

yeah..much more important to have jackson and poe and mccluster...

like i said...this is old news, same shit we've heard from chiefs fans for decades...

"oh no! it risky!"

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yeah..much more important to have jackson and poe and mccluster...

like i said...this is old news, same shit we've heard from chiefs fans for decades...

"oh no! it risky!"

It's not risky to pick a QB in the first round.

It's risky to pick a QB in the first round just to pick one.

Like I said, the timing is right for one next draft. It's deep, the top four senior QB prospects are all very good QB's who are near identical in most comparable traits.

If they get the opportunity to get one next year and don't, I'm going to have a bit of a problem then, but I'm not going to bitch about missing out on picking Tebow, Sanchez, Clausen or even Freeman at this point just because we need to pick that position in the first round.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Not just Poe. What did the Skins give up for Griffin? Three first round picks and a second.

He better be Joe Montana for that to pay off.

It's completely defensible.

If you do not take a chance, you have no chance.

[Canofbier]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You try when the opportunity presents itself. You don't reach for mediocrity.

The Jackson argument is one that Pioli wins. We didn't have a true five tech on this roster when he came in and Jackson was the best potential for that position in that draft. And guess what? He's now playing like one of the best five techs in the league and the stats back him up.

At this point I sure as hell would rather have Jackson versus Sanchez. And this place would have went freaking ballistic if they picked Freeman at #3.

In fact, as it stands, I think you take only Clay Matthews and possibly BJ Raji over Jackson in that draft.

In 2010, we were not getting Bradford no matter how much you wanted to pony up. So, do you reach for Tebow over Eric Berry?

In 2011, quarterbacks went quick and a lot went much earlier than was anticipated. Were you willing to forgo Jon Baldwin and Rod Hudson to trade up for Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder?

In 2012, we were not getting Luck. Indy wasn't going to trade that pick for five full drafts. Griffin commanded a lot of picks...would you be willing to give up Poe, Allen and a shot at someone like Wilson, Jones, Smith or Bray in 2013?
Would you have been happy to give up multiple picks to move up for Tannehill and forgo the chance at previously said QB's in 2013?

It's about building a team, not mortaging your future on a position because we haven't picked that position in the first round in a while.

You all need to be a bit more objective and rational.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

would i give up poe for Griffin?



you're applying the famous Chiefsplanet risk double standard

drafting a QB is risky

drafting an under achieving NT from a shitty conference is not risky

bottom line: we've spent 3 top eleven picks on the DL...and a 2nd on a backup QB

it's not defensible

A smart post followed by a stupid one. The realistically available QBs from two years ago haven't done anything since they were drafted by other teams. They still have a chance to improve and become something, but if we can assume that no miracle turnarounds occur, drafting them would have done absolutely nothing for the Chiefs.

As for this last draft, you're dumb if you think we had any chance at Luck. Griffin was gettable, but only if you were willing to give up more than what the Redskins did, which was already a LOT. I personally believe that Griffin III will be a good QB, but if last season and this preseason has demonstrated anything, it's that this team still lacks strong, lasting depth. Injuries are inevitable, and with the deep class of talented quarterbacks in next year's draft, I can definitely understand the choice to build depth and keep our picks for next year.

Griffin III could be a a hall of famer for all we know, but the fact of the matter is that it's far more likely that he'll end up being average or slightly above average. Football is a team sport, and Sam Bradford is proof that even a talented QB can't overcome a lack of team talent or depth. We'll hopefully have a better chance at a new franchise QB after this season because of the deep class, and at that point we'll have a stronger overall team for that player to come to. As a result, he'll have a smoother development and a better supporting cast than if we had gone all-in to trade up to #2.

Call me brainwashed if you want, but I see a team that has improved significantly in the last few years. Like it or not, both football and life can be estimated with reasonable accuracy using statistics and averages, and if you continually improve the average talent and ability of your team, probability suggests that you will have a team that will compete year after year. If and when we finally obtain a top-tier quarterback to lead this generally talented team leading us to make continual runs deep into the playoffs, all of you constant whiners will look stupid. Either way, this team's arrow is pointed up, and to claim otherwise is silly.