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Old 10-30-2012, 05:44 PM   #1
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Elite?

You live in a ****ing fantasy world.

Then again, you think the entire roster is "solid" outside the QB position.

The reasoning behind 1-6 is a helluva lot more than the QB, folks. And that's coming from the President of the **** Matt Cassel Fan Club.
No. It's the QB, it's our unimaginative offensive coordinator, and our clueless head coach. And our absent defensive coordinator, who happens to be our defensive coach.

It's not like these guys are not doing these jobs. These guys have been impressively bad.

C'mon, think back to Green Bay and Pittsburgh last year. Charles starts over Battle, Hillis is your goal line back, Moeaki starts over McConnell, Berry starts over Piscitelli, Boss starts over Pope. You can't tell me that's not a very good team, even with average Kyle Orton at the helm.

Now add in a coach that plays with Jim Harbaugh discipline and toughness. An defense with the imagination of Dom Capers. An offense with the imagination of Harbaugh's.

Even with Kyle Orton and those pieces above, you're going to tell me that you add those to last year's second half Chiefs and this isn't a team with a shot at a deep playoff run?
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:46 PM   #2
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An defense with the imagination of Dom Capers.
Capers?



The ****ing guy should have been fired 2 years ago! The Packers weakness is their shit defensive scheme.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:47 PM   #3
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Capers?



The ****ing guy should have been fired 2 years ago! The Packers weakness is their shit defensive scheme.
Shit, sorry. Meant to say Wade Phillips in Houston. Stupid mistake.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:47 PM   #4
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Capers?



The ****ing guy should have been fired 2 years ago! The Packers weakness is their shit defensive scheme.
Dom Capers.

****ing priceless.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:51 PM   #5
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Dom Capers.

****ing priceless.
That was an honest mistake. I thought of Houston and Capers was the name that came to my head. It's not what I meant at all.
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Even with Kyle Orton and those pieces above, you're going to tell me that you add those to last year's second half Chiefs and this isn't a team with a shot at a deep playoff run?
A deep playoff run?

With zero injuries and good QB play we might be a playoff team. A one and done playoff team.

That's it.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:50 PM   #7
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A deep playoff run?

With zero injuries and good QB play we might be a playoff team. A one and done playoff team.

That's it.
We won't make the Super Bowl until we have a very good QB. I agree with that, which is why I'm not saying we should be happy with Kyle Orton.

I just don't buy the board on here in a panic that our team is so bad we need an overhaul. How can people look at the 2012 defense and 2011 defense and not see that the same players are playing 100 times worse? How can anyone not see that Kyle Orton, while failing to close drives, moved the ball down the field in drives seamlessly even behind a brokedick offensive coordinator.

I don't know how anybody can look at this 2012 team and even for a second claim that this is what both units are capable of.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:56 PM   #8
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I just don't buy the board on here in a panic that our team is so bad we need an overhaul.
We don't need an overhaul.

But we need 7 or 8 new starters for sure. Plus depth.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:58 PM   #9
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We don't need an overhaul.

But we need 7 or 8 new starters for sure. Plus depth.
Easily correct taking into account the O and D lines, plus secondary.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:03 PM   #10
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We don't need an overhaul.

But we need 7 or 8 new starters for sure. Plus depth.
That's an exaggeration. We need an overhaul of our coaching staff. We need a new QB. Those things alone make this team a very good football team.

We always act like we should have 22 very good starters. It's just not typical in today's NFL. I"m not going to get riled up if we're missing a guard or a free safety. We have more than enough talent at the key positions to support a very good head coach and QB. Putting Jim Harbaugh's staff (OC + DC) alone makes this team competitive. Replacing the QB on a Harbaugh coached team makes this team a contender. Chipping away at those 7 or 8 starters just makes the job easier.

You're really telling me that putting RGIII or even Tannehill and the entire 49ers Coaching staff alone doesn't make this team a serious contender?
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You're really telling me that putting RGIII or even Tannehill and the entire 49ers Coaching staff alone doesn't make this team a serious contender?
I'm telling you that the players we've discussed in this thread have no business starting in the NFL on a perennial playoff team.

We are the Browns, Midwest.

So they start for us.

Remember when Eric Warfield went to New England? His ass didn't even make the final roster.
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:12 PM   #12
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I'm telling you that the players we've discussed in this thread have no business starting in the NFL on a perennial playoff team.

We are the Browns, Midwest.

So they start for us.

Remember when Eric Warfield went to New England? His ass didn't even make the final roster.
There are lots of teams with that problem, even the good ones. The difference is that in the past, our starters weren't even worthy of a roster spot on an NFL Europe squad. Even our bad starters are fringe starters / quality backups. I think we're really getting nitpicky if we're going to get riled up about Guards and slot receivers and 5-techniques. And most of those guys aren't even terrible. They're just not very good.

I'm not saying we can't or shouldn't do better. I'm not defending the way Pioli built his team, because Moeaki should be Gronk or Graham. Baldwin should have been Dalton. The list goes on. But the team has improved dramatically and that will show with wholesale changes in the coaching staff and with an improved QB. Should it continue to improve? Of course. I'd expect nothing less. But we're not in some dire situation where a new GM can't make this a deep playoff contender with just a few effective offseason moves.
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