****Official "I hate Luke Joeckel as a prospect" thread****

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Here's the problem I have, SNR, with you and the Joeckel-bashers: you are all Geno-lovers.

While there's nothing wrong with being a basher of a prospect on his own merits, or a lover of another player, the problem I have is that, this offseason, the hatred for one player is inextricably connected to the love for another.

And that's bullshit, because it's as naked as double standards get.

Joeckel is a really good prospect, but he's got warts. We know them well, we've debated them.

But so does ****ing Geno Smith. And to coopt your verbage, you're more than willing to shit all over an imperfect but great prospect to go balls deep into another imperfect but great prospect.

Given the choice between the two, I'd take Geno 10 times out of 10.

But that alone doesn't make Joeckel an inadequate prospect.

Well... no. Not really.

This has everything to do with the hypocrisy I see with Andy Reid not liking Winston and Albert because of their strong preference to the zone blocking scheme, and only a tiny bit (less than 1%) is because I'm jaded.

I can't stand the fact that OT is going to be our pick, even after the trade down. To be honest, it makes me ****ing furious. But beyond THAT, if you're going to pull this switcheroo, which Reid is apparently going to make happen, you better make damn sure it's to get the kind of OT you want, not just because one guy is the perceived best one. That means you better go get an OT that's more Jon Runyan. And that's absolutely NOT what they're getting in Joeckel.

Apart from that, I have serious questions about Joeckel's ability to adjust to the NFL based on what I saw with Fran ****ing Tarkenton Jr. back there. And this is where some of the perceived jadedness might come in just because he's not Geno. It's not just that. It's the fact that Joeckel is FAR from the sure thing that is being assured about him from Kiper and others. Again, rarely do you find an OT prospect who is that sure thing.

That comes back to the QB decision. So yes, you're half right. I'm far more upset that Joeckel doesn't necessarily suck, but he'll need time to adjust. If you're going to do that, you may as well go with the more athletically and mentally gifted guy in Fisher or even Johnson. And it's the fact that his gay fat pudgy ass is being talked about as the "obvious" choice for us that makes me upset.

He's just not worth the #1 overall pick. Not as an OT, and not compared to other players in this draft. But that's the conversation, isn't it?