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Old 07-19-2013, 06:59 AM  
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Alex Smith: Chief's aren't running a "Cookie-cutter" offense
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QB Alex Smith tells NFL Total Access that Chiefs aren't running "cookie-cutter" offense and it isn't the same as what coach Andy Reid ran with Eagles and Packers. Catch the entire interview tonight at 7PM ET on NFL Total Access.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:17 PM   #616
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My point had absolutely nothing to do with QBs, and everything to do with overall draft value.

And, Dane, Flynn was traded for a 5th in '14 and a conditional in '15. Pretty sure that "bidding war" would have been manageable.

But the larger point is that it doesn't matter. Pick a stopgap, any stopgap. Oh noez! We go 5-11 rather than 8-8!! Simply different smelling shit.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:17 PM   #617
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QB's can be found anywhere. It's just that the first round is usually the place where you can find the guy with the most talent and the best chance to become a franchise guy.


But to think it's the only place to find one is crazy talk. It's just your best chance, if you play the odds.
Exactly, but drafting a second or third round caliber QB in round 1 does not suddenly guarantee success. The first round QBs who succeed usually come with first round grades. Russell Wilson would have been at least a top 10 pick had he been 2-3 inches taller. He had every quality you want in a franchise QB except height apparently.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:17 PM   #618
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I can't count the number of times this offseason that I've seen people criticized for associating Alex Smith with past free agent or trade screw ups at QB. Because that wasn't Dorsey or Reid. It's a new day! The Chiefs have a clean slate!

So I guess the same must be true for the draft, as well.

Right?
There is no such thing as a "Sure Thing" in the NFL draft, especially in the second round.

Every move that is made is a risk. There is absolutely no doubt that it was a risky move to trade for Alex Smith but it would have been even riskier to reach on a QB that has very little chance to even play at the same level as Smith the past two seasons, let alone become a Franchise QB.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:17 PM   #619
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Kirk Cousins was a fourth rounder last year and while I thought he was good value, the people on Chiefsplanet said he sucked and that Stanzi was better.
I'm still trying to figure out why anybody thought that either Cousins or Stanzi was worth a shit going into that draft.
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There is no such thing as a "Sure Thing" in the NFL draft, especially in the second round.

Every move that is made is a risk. There is absolutely no doubt that it was a risky move to trade for Alex Smith but it would have been even riskier to reach on a QB that has very little chance to even play at the same level as Smith the past two seasons, let alone become a Franchise QB.
I didn't say anything about drafting a quarterback.
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He'll only be viewed as "incredible value" if he plays in the NFL and plays well.

Kirk Cousins was a fourth rounder last year and while I thought he was good value, the people on Chiefsplanet said he sucked and that Stanzi was better.

It's impossible to predict "value" when a player hasn't stepped foot on the field.
I'm having a really hard time even fathoming your perspective right now.

Drafts happen before players play NFL games, so we're forced to ascertain "value" before the latter happens.

Barkley was value. I don't give a flying **** how he performs. These are separate issues, and you know this. What the hell is going on?
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How would you define a successful season for the Chiefs in terms of overall record?
I know you didn't ask me, but I expect a team that will be in contention for either AFC West champions or AFC Wild Card all season long. 2010, the bulk of this team was in the playoffs. 2011 they damn near made it without Charles and Berry the whole season... with Palko at the helm for part of the season. Succop makes a FG against the Faid, and the 2011 team is in. 2012 could have been the season, but Pioli saddled the team with his boy Gus. IMO, that is the sole reason for the 2-14 debacle. Haley wanted him gone... instead Haley got gone. RAC wanted Orton. Pioli would have none of it. RAC tried to change his stripes and say he backed Gus, but the players that were here knew better. Winston went to bat for Gus. Nobody else did. And I'm not just talking the injury thing.

Enter new regime and Smith. The players are already saying the chemistry is great. Bowe and Charles are talking career years. Things are looking up.

I'm expecting playoff contention all year long. Maybe even a playoff run. Stranger things have happened.
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This. This and ****ing this.

If there is one thing that I don't like about this franchise in concern to QB's is that it doesn't matter who we draft, they have to have naked pics of Clarks wife to get on the field. For ****'s sake, we are getting our ass handed to us and Stanzi couldn't get a snap?
Indeed, sir... indeed.
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Exactly, but drafting a second or third round caliber QB in round 1 does not suddenly guarantee success. The first round QBs who succeed usually come with first round grades. Russell Wilson would have been at least a top 10 pick had he been 2-3 inches taller. He had every quality you want in a franchise QB except height apparently.
I don't necessarily think height was the ONLY reason, but it was one of the few.

I want to see him do it longer before I crown him, but for what he is as a Qb he's in the perfect situation.

Situation is something that doesn't get talked about much on here, but it's a huge factor IMO. Kaep, Wilson, Cousins etc, all were drafted into the right situation.

I don't think it would have mattered who we would have taken the past 4 years, they weren't succeeding here.
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I'm still trying to figure out why anybody thought that either Cousins or Stanzi was worth a shit going into that draft.
I still think Cousins is worth a shit. Stanzi I don't know dick about but Cousins, to me looked good, and when he played at the next level did something.
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This. This and ****ing this.

If there is one thing that I don't like about this franchise in concern to QB's is that it doesn't matter who we draft, they have to have naked pics of Clarks wife to get on the field. For ****'s sake, we are getting our ass handed to us and Stanzi couldn't get a snap?
This is also under the tyranny that was the Pioli regime. Things have changed. Hell Haley got fired for saying F you to Pioli by playing Palko.
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