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Coogs · 08:16 PM

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QB Alex Smith tells NFL Total Access that Chiefs aren't running "cookie-cutter" offense and it isn't the same as what coach Andy Reid ran with Eagles and Packers. Catch the entire interview tonight at 7PM ET on NFL Total Access.

**Easy 6** · 07-20-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Too bad we didn't pin all of our hopes on him. We would be SB bound with this superstar!

It'd be nice if the pro Geno guys would atleast admit that the guy has looked terrible so far... shouldnt we atleast be hearing a few good things out of a NYC fanbase that would probably rather eat shit than go through another season with Sanchize?

The lack of hype and love he's getting out there is definitely strange...

O.city · 07-20-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

How would you define a successful season for the Chiefs in terms of overall record?

3 wins.

It's teh Improvement!!!

**DeezNutz** · 07-20-2013, 08:08 PM

Oh, and obviously I would have drafted a QB with the hint of being successful, such as Barkley, who would have been incredible value.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-20-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I've already answered this. I would have given up a 4th rounder, no higher, for Smith. If this wouldn't have closed the deal--and no big deal if not---I would have acquired Flynn or Stanton.

None of these players are legit options. They're all stopgaps, so you have to try to get "value." Two second-round picks are not indicative of value; they're indicative of no Vaseline.

So your solution was Flynn or? Flynn wasn't available until April 1st, when the Raiders traded Palmer to Arizona.

So, if the Chiefs had waited until April to acquire a QB, don't you think there would have been a bidding war for Flynn's services? And if the Chiefs lost, who's their guy heading into 2013?

You're hypothesizing. You're not dealing in realistic terms.

**ShortRoundChief** · 07-20-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And I'm going to assume that no one is going to reference Russell Wilson again, while discounting the importance of second-round picks.

According to the CP perspective QB's taken in the second round are flukes. The only way to win a SB is to get one in the first.

Point being you shall not have your cake and eat it too.

If you admit a QB can be had outside of the first round of the draft then you concede that they can be had anywhere.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 08:11 PM

Now that you bring up Barkley, I've been wondering about this, so lets discuss it.

Last year, he was the 3rd QB behind Luck and RGIII and would have been a top 5 pick likely. At the time, it would have been considered a great pick for said franchise. I was really hoping we could/would have taken him.

Then he goes back and has a woeful year and goes in the 4th IIRC.

How the hell were they that far off? Was he just a mirage early?

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-20-2013, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Oh, and obviously I would have drafted a QB with the hint of being successful, such as Barkley, who would have been incredible value.

He'll only be viewed as "incredible value" if he plays in the NFL and plays well.

Kirk Cousins was a fourth rounder last year and while I thought he was good value, the people on Chiefsplanet said he sucked and that Stanzi was better.

It's impossible to predict "value" when a player hasn't stepped foot on the field.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 08:13 PM

QB's can be found anywhere. It's just that the first round is usually the place where you can find the guy with the most talent and the best chance to become a franchise guy.

But to think it's the only place to find one is crazy talk. It's just your best chance, if you play the odds.

**ShortRoundChief** · 07-20-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Now that you bring up Barkley, I've been wondering about this, so lets discuss it.

Last year, he was the 3rd QB behind Luck and RGIII and would have been a top 5 pick likely. At the time, it would have been considered a great pick for said franchise. I was really hoping we could/would have taken him.

Then he goes back and has a woeful year and goes in the 4th IIRC.

How the hell were they that far off? Was he just a mirage early?

Dude you had TG sucking off Leinart a year before he fell like a rock. Just like in the NFL it's what have you done for me lately.

tredadda · 07-20-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Now that you bring up Barkley, I've been wondering about this, so lets discuss it.

Last year, he was the 3rd QB behind Luck and RGIII and would have been a top 5 pick likely. At the time, it would have been considered a great pick for said franchise. I was really hoping we could/would have taken him.

Then he goes back and has a woeful year and goes in the 4th IIRC.

How the hell were they that far off? Was he just a mirage early?

I think the luster wore off of him once he was under increased scrutiny. He was one of the guys with Luck and RGIII, last year he was "the" guy and it started to show his weaknesses more. Plus the deflated football staory and injury did not help.

keg in kc · 07-20-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No one is discounting them.

But there is conclusive data that suggests that the Chiefs haven't been able to identify long term, contributing players for more than 20 decades in the second round.

I can't count the number of times this offseason that I've seen people criticized for associating Alex Smith with past free agent or trade screw ups at QB. Because that wasn't Dorsey or Reid. It's a new day! The Chiefs have a clean slate!

So I guess the same must be true for the draft, as well.

Right?

**DeezNutz** · 07-20-2013, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

According to the CP perspective QB's taken in the second round are flukes. The only way to win a SB is to get one in the first.

Point being you shall not have your cake and eat it too.

If you admit a QB can be had outside of the first round of the draft then you concede that they can be had anywhere.

My point had absolutely nothing to do with QBs, and everything to do with overall draft value.

And, Dane, Flynn was traded for a 5th in '14 and a conditional in '15. Pretty sure that "bidding war" would have been manageable.

But the larger point is that it doesn't matter. Pick a stopgap, any stopgap. Oh noez! We go 5-11 rather than 8-8!! Simply different smelling shit.

O.city · 07-20-2013, 08:15 PM

I think those guys get, deservedly or undeservedly, way over analyzed. I think Barkley would have been a good fit in Reid's typical WCO and I was hoping we would have grabbed him.

**ShortRoundChief** · 07-20-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

He'll only be viewed as "incredible value" if he plays in the NFL and plays well.

Kirk Cousins was a fourth rounder last year and while I thought he was good value, the people on Chiefsplanet said he sucked and that Stanzi was better.

It's impossible to predict "value" when a player hasn't stepped foot on the field.

This. This and ****ing this.

If there is one thing that I don't like about this franchise in concern to QB's is that it doesn't matter who we draft, they have to have naked pics of Clarks wife to get on the field. For ****'s sake, we are getting our ass handed to us and Stanzi couldn't get a snap?

O.city · 07-20-2013, 08:16 PM

I think, hope, they're thinking they'll go better than 8-8.

Games will be starting soon, so we'll see.

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	Now that you bring up Barkley, I've been wondering about this, so lets discuss it. Last year, he was the 3rd QB behind Luck and RGIII and would have been a top 5 pick likely. At the time, it would have been considered a great pick for said franchise. I was really hoping we could/would have taken him. Then he goes back and has a woeful year and goes in the 4th IIRC. How the hell were they that far off? Was he just a mirage early?
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07-20-2013, 08:13 PM	#608
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	QB's can be found anywhere. It's just that the first round is usually the place where you can find the guy with the most talent and the best chance to become a franchise guy. But to think it's the only place to find one is crazy talk. It's just your best chance, if you play the odds.
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07-20-2013, 08:15 PM	#613
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	I think those guys get, deservedly or undeservedly, way over analyzed. I think Barkley would have been a good fit in Reid's typical WCO and I was hoping we would have grabbed him.
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07-20-2013, 08:16 PM	#615
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	I think, hope, they're thinking they'll go better than 8-8. Games will be starting soon, so we'll see.
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