Chiefs Are 'Badly' Trying To Trade Down To Middle Of First Round

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by luv

Yes, I realized that after the fact, thank you.

i believe that mess up has earned you a spanking, young lady.

[Chiefs4ever25]

Originally Posted by luv

No way I would put McCoy that high.

McCoy could be a HUGE bust

[Mr. Flopnuts]

The reeruned is strong in this thread.

[Chiefnj2]

At the end of the day trading up or down doesn't matter, it's what you do with the picks.

[Coogs]

Is is just me, or does anyone else kind of wish the Topic Header said "Desperately" instead of "Badly"?

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Is is just me, or does anyone else kind of wish the Topic Header said "Desperately" instead of "Badly"?

It's just you.

Who cares.

[mlyonsd]

I don't usually wade into these discussions because I'll admit I don't work in the NFL and only have fan experience. I see the argument this way.

Those that want Berry believe he's a can't miss pick and will be an anchor on defense for 10 years. I'm guessing you'll give him 1 rookie year to make mistakes but after that he better be pretty close to pro-bowl guy. Especially with the money he'll get.

Those that want pickle boy believe Cassel will never amount to a playoff win. Valid argument. But I think if you choose Clausen you must also admit to the fact the Chiefs will give Cassel two more years to prove himself, unless of course he starts peeling wallpaper off of Arrowhead and eating it. Thus Clausen will only really get true NFL experience in a year and a half at the earliest, with the exception of an injury to Cassel. If given time to throw Cassel will get that much time to pass/fail in the Haley/Pioli environment. Plus Clausen makes pro-bowl guy money while sitting on the bench.

Those that want to trade down believe the core of the team is more important than 'one guy'. You don't believe Berry or Clausen's talents will take the Chiefs to the playoffs any sooner than trading down and getting one or two more early round picks.

Those that believe we should pick an OL because it all starts there.

So here are my choices given those options.....

1) Trade down and use the first two or three picks on defense. I think Croyle is a match stick waiting for someone to break him so you draft a QB you've scouted probably no sooner than the third round. I'm a firm believer defense is what takes you to the playoffs so sue me.

2) Berry. I've read enough posts to think he's the real deal and will be a solid anchor. The reason this is my second choice is because I wanted Curry last year and realize liking a pick too much isn't necessarily the right choice.

3) Clausen. I don't actually get why people think he's a good 5th pick knowing we've already sold out on Cassel but enough of you like him to sway me. If we pick him and he fails I'll haunt everyone that swayed me.

4) OL. Draft a good prospect in the 2nd or 3rd round. We've added some depth (arguably) during the offseason so this shouldn't be our primary concern until Albert is given one more year at LT.

Flame away but remember we're all on the Chief's payroll at the same salary.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

So here are my choices given those options.....

1) Trade down and use the first two or three picks on defense. I think Croyle is a match stick waiting for someone to break him so you draft a QB you've scouted probably no sooner than the third round. I'm a firm believer defense is what takes you to the playoffs so sue me.

I don't want to go 10-6 and get to the playoffs. Been there, done that. I want to win in the playoffs. You sort of need a QB to do that.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I don't want to go 10-6 and get to the playoffs. Been there, done that. I want to win in the playoffs. You sort of need a QB to do that.

My argument to that is we had him, his name was Gannon, and if Marty DF had played him instead of Grbac we'd not only have won that game but probably the SB.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

My argument to that is we had him, his name was Gannon, and if Marty DF had played him instead of Grbac we'd not only have won that game but probably the SB.

That may well be true. But what does that have to do with the Chiefs' current situation or the 2010 draft?

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

That may well be true. But what does that have to do with the Chiefs' current situation or the 2010 draft?

Yeah I didn't get what you were saying at first so my bad. You have a valid argument Cassel isn't the guy. I'm on the side that doesn't think he's been given enough of a chance. Especially since Pioli picked him up and believes in him. At this point I'll take Pioli over anyone on this board. If it were Herm I wouldn't think that way at all.

I'd still be hedging my bets filling other holes at this point in rebuilding makes more sense than reaching for Clausen.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

IThose that want pickle boy believe Cassel will never amount to a playoff win. Valid argument. But I think if you choose Clausen you must also admit to the fact the Chiefs will give Cassel two more years to prove himself, unless of course he starts peeling wallpaper off of Arrowhead and eating it.

No way in hell Cassel gets two more years UNLESS he's a completely different QB on the field this year (i.e., no more QB ratings of 14, 35, 58 & 65).

I seriously doubt he can change everything at age 27 in one year, but we'll see.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No way in hell Cassel gets two more years UNLESS he's a completely different QB on the field this year (i.e., no more QB ratings of 14, 35, 58 & 65).

I seriously doubt he can change everything at age 27 in one year, but we'll see.

i can agree with this post. i think he will be better but i wont bitch if our pick is clausen for a backup plan.
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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i can agree with this post. i think he will be better but i wont bitch if our pick is clausen for a backup plan.
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I'll be shocked if Clausen is the choice at #5.

That said, I think they might pull a 2000 Bill Parcells and trade down so many times they end up with four first rounders.

That year, they got Pennington, Abraham, Shaun Ellis and Anthony Becht in the first round.

Becht was the only player of the three to disappoint.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'll be shocked if Clausen is the choice at #5.

That said, I think they might pull a 2000 Bill Parcells and trade down so many times they end up with four first rounders.

That year, they got Pennington, Abraham, Shaun Ellis and Anthony Becht in the first round.

Becht was the only player of the three to disappoint.

Jets didn't trade down that year. They got a pick from Pats for getting Belichick and two from Bucs for Keyshawn, and one of those was from the Chargers for drafting Bryan Still a POS receiver.