"Alex Smith makes your defense better"

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by dls6501

LOL. Now its 15?

Ok....off the top of my head:

Calvin Johnson
Odell Beckham JR
Demaryius Thomas
AJ Green
Dez Bryant
Randall Cobb
Jordy Nelson
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
Brandon Marshall
Victor Cruz
Larry Fitzgerald
Desean Jackson
Jeremy Maclin
ALshon Jeffrey
Andre Johnson

Hows that?

But can YOU name 40???? Huh? Huh? Well.....
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[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by dls6501

LOL. Now its 15?

Ok....off the top of my head:

Calvin Johnson
Odell Beckham JR
Demaryius Thomas
AJ Green
Dez Bryant
Randall Cobb
Jordy Nelson
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
Brandon Marshall
Victor Cruz
Larry Fitzgerald
Desean Jackson
Jeremy Maclin
ALshon Jeffrey
Andre Johnson

Hows that?

That's a stretch, if I ever saw one. How is Cruz even conceived of here? lol
Alshon is better? You really think?

Randall Cobb is better? isn't he just a product of Rodgers?

You would take 34 yr old Andre J over Hilton? I seriously doubt that.

Let's just say for argument's sake that your list is valid... that makes Hilton the 17th best WR in the league.

Would this constitute Luck having a bottom tier WR corps?

[ThaVirus]

Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill, and Cam Newton could all arguable fit the bill in 2014.

Russell Wilson fit the bill at certain points through the 2014 season as well.

Tom Brady could fit it at several different points in his career.

Andrew Luck could fit the bill in 2012 and 2013, arguably 2014 as well although their offensive line seemed to get better last season.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill, and Cam Newton could all arguable fit the bill in 2014.

Russell Wilson fit the bill at certain points through the 2014 season as well.

Tom Brady could fit it at several different points in his career.

Andrew Luck could fit the bill in 2012 and 2013, arguably 2014 as well although their offensive line seemed to get better last season.

Carson Palmer sack rate was WAY down. And are we gonna pretend his previous years didn't happen? The ones that directly support a QB being brought down by a tough situation around him.

Cam Newton was terrible at times last year. Finished OK but did not excel in 2014.

Ryan Tannehill was nearly the same as Smith in 2014.

Tom Brady could fit it at several different points in his career. That is nonsense and using a top 5 QBs again which for the 100th time doesn't make sense.

Andrew Luck is the QB prospect of a generation about as stupid to use a top 5 QB. And we had people claim RGIII or Wilson is as good as him because on the surface it looked like it but Luck was in a much harder spot than either of them.

Philip Rivers is right outside top 5 QB and his excelling last year while in a tough spot was a QB rating .4 better than Alex Smith. And as a little help for Rivers his guys dropped 3% not 6% like KC.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Ryan Tannehill was nearly the same as Smith in 2014.

I have been on the same page as you have up until this.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. Ryan Tannehill's 2014 season, his third year in the league, is a season that Alex Smith could only dream about.

4,045 passing yards
27 touchdowns
66.4% completion percentage

Maybe in Alex's 10th season, he can accomplish something Tennehill did in his 3rd. Maybe.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by dls6501

I have been on the same page as you have up until this.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. Ryan Tannehill's 2014 season, his third year in the league, is a season that Alex Smith could only dream about.

4,045 passing yards
27 touchdowns
66.4% completion percentage

Maybe in Alex's 10th season, he can accomplish something Tennehill did in his 3rd. Maybe.

He threw 590 passes.
6.9 yards per attempt 10.3 per completions SAME level as Smith.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

He threw 590 passes.
6.9 yards per attempt 10.3 per completions SAME level as Smith.

I guess touchdowns are meaningless to you.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Carson Palmer sack rate was WAY down. And are we gonna pretend his previous years didn't happen? The ones that directly support a QB being brought down by a tough situation around him.



Cam Newton was terrible at times last year. Finished OK but did not excel in 2014.



Ryan Tannehill was nearly the same as Smith in 2014.



Tom Brady could fit it at several different points in his career. That is nonsense and using a top 5 QBs again which for the 100th time doesn't make sense.



Andrew Luck is the QB prospect of a generation about as stupid to use a top 5 QB. And we had people claim RGIII or Wilson is as good as him because on the surface it looked like it but Luck was in a much harder spot than either of them.



Philip Rivers is right outside top 5 QB and his excelling last year while in a tough spot was a QB rating .4 better than Alex Smith. And as a little help for Rivers his guys dropped 3% not 6% like KC.

You're entire ****ing argument doesn't make sense!

You ask for QBs that have excelled with subpar OL and WR play, I list several names, you say they don't count because this, that and the other.

This guy is elite and that guy was a generational prospect and the other guy threw for more yards, more TDs, and higher completion percentage in his third year than Alex ever had in 10 years while being surrounded by unquestionably inferior talent and yet they're "much the same".

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You're entire ****ing argument doesn't make sense!

You ask for QBs that have excelled with subpar OL and WR play, I list several names, you say they don't count because this, that and the other.

This guy is elite and that guy was a generational prospect and the other guy threw for more yards, more TDs, and higher completion percentage in his third year than Alex ever had in 10 years while being surrounded by unquestionably inferior talent and yet they're "much the same".

Actually, this was my discussion (happy to share though).. and I later allowed elite QBs in, because frankly.. they were the only few (still debatable if any) that could fit into the crap OL and WR parameters.

The point is.. throughout history, it seems rare (if ever) for even good/great QBs to function at a high level when they have trash at both OL and WR. Yet people expect that Alex Smith should be one of those QBs?

Instead of being pissed that he can't work magic with trash... how bout be angry that the Chiefs are struggling to field even a mediocre group of OL and WRs.

Now, I expect these position groups to be better now.. at least at WR. OL... no idea.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Actually, this was my discussion (happy to share though).. and I later allowed elite QBs in, because frankly.. they were the only few (still debatable if any) that could fit into the crap OL and WR parameters.



The point is.. throughout history, it seems rare (if ever) for even good/great QBs to function at a high level when they have trash at both OL and WR. Yet people expect that Alex Smith should be one of those QBs?



Instead of being pissed that he can't work magic with trash... how bout be angry that the Chiefs are struggling to field even a mediocre group of OL and WRs.



Now, I expect these position groups to be better now.. at least at WR. OL... no idea.

You ask for QBs that have performed well under certain circumstances, I give you names and you say those QBs are good so they don't count.

You want me to name people that suck to help prop up your argument.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You're entire ****ing argument doesn't make sense!

You ask for QBs that have excelled with subpar OL and WR play, I list several names, you say they don't count because this, that and the other.

They mostly don't count cause they are not valid applications of the equation.

The argument is clear.

A non-great QB *Alex Smith fits this*
additionally a Bottom 5-10 Pass Weapons
additionally a Bottom 5-10 Pass Blocking

And my god some act like we have to defend a
69.4 season Eli had in 2013
73.1 season Flacco had in 2013

Smith had a very solid and very unspectacular season in 2014 with a 93.4 rating

[ThaVirus]

"TY Hilton is a top 10 receiver"

"No he isn't"

"Name 15 receivers better than Hilton then"

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

"TY Hilton is a top 10 receiver"

"No he isn't"

"Name 15 receivers better than Hilton then"

Goalpost moving for days

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Goalpost moving for days

You can't see that I just moved the goalpost closer to your advantage? lol

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

You can't see that I just moved the goalpost closer to your advantage? lol

You are not very smart.