"Alex Smith makes your defense better"

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Carson Palmer sack rate was WAY down. And are we gonna pretend his previous years didn't happen? The ones that directly support a QB being brought down by a tough situation around him.



Cam Newton was terrible at times last year. Finished OK but did not excel in 2014.



Ryan Tannehill was nearly the same as Smith in 2014.



Tom Brady could fit it at several different points in his career. That is nonsense and using a top 5 QBs again which for the 100th time doesn't make sense.



Andrew Luck is the QB prospect of a generation about as stupid to use a top 5 QB. And we had people claim RGIII or Wilson is as good as him because on the surface it looked like it but Luck was in a much harder spot than either of them.



Philip Rivers is right outside top 5 QB and his excelling last year while in a tough spot was a QB rating .4 better than Alex Smith. And as a little help for Rivers his guys dropped 3% not 6% like KC.

You're entire ****ing argument doesn't make sense!

You ask for QBs that have excelled with subpar OL and WR play, I list several names, you say they don't count because this, that and the other.

This guy is elite and that guy was a generational prospect and the other guy threw for more yards, more TDs, and higher completion percentage in his third year than Alex ever had in 10 years while being surrounded by unquestionably inferior talent and yet they're "much the same".

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You're entire ****ing argument doesn't make sense!

You ask for QBs that have excelled with subpar OL and WR play, I list several names, you say they don't count because this, that and the other.

This guy is elite and that guy was a generational prospect and the other guy threw for more yards, more TDs, and higher completion percentage in his third year than Alex ever had in 10 years while being surrounded by unquestionably inferior talent and yet they're "much the same".

Actually, this was my discussion (happy to share though).. and I later allowed elite QBs in, because frankly.. they were the only few (still debatable if any) that could fit into the crap OL and WR parameters.

The point is.. throughout history, it seems rare (if ever) for even good/great QBs to function at a high level when they have trash at both OL and WR. Yet people expect that Alex Smith should be one of those QBs?

Instead of being pissed that he can't work magic with trash... how bout be angry that the Chiefs are struggling to field even a mediocre group of OL and WRs.

Now, I expect these position groups to be better now.. at least at WR. OL... no idea.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Actually, this was my discussion (happy to share though).. and I later allowed elite QBs in, because frankly.. they were the only few (still debatable if any) that could fit into the crap OL and WR parameters.



The point is.. throughout history, it seems rare (if ever) for even good/great QBs to function at a high level when they have trash at both OL and WR. Yet people expect that Alex Smith should be one of those QBs?



Instead of being pissed that he can't work magic with trash... how bout be angry that the Chiefs are struggling to field even a mediocre group of OL and WRs.



Now, I expect these position groups to be better now.. at least at WR. OL... no idea.

You ask for QBs that have performed well under certain circumstances, I give you names and you say those QBs are good so they don't count.

You want me to name people that suck to help prop up your argument.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You ask for QBs that have performed well under certain circumstances, I give you names and you say those QBs are good so they don't count.

You want me to name people that suck to help prop up your argument.

Actually, I was more interested in seeing if people could name anyone that might make me reconsider.

... and I am looking for QBs that performed very well under those circumstances. Not QBs that had similar Alex-Smith like numbers.

The idea here is.. if Alex.. with a crap OL and WRs... can perform to the level he has in the last 2 years...

Surely, there must be QBs that... with a crap OL and WRs... has performed at a higher level.

.. but I am not getting much help in the way of naming those QBs, which years, and the personnel that they had.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

You're entire ****ing argument doesn't make sense!

You ask for QBs that have excelled with subpar OL and WR play, I list several names, you say they don't count because this, that and the other.

They mostly don't count cause they are not valid applications of the equation.

The argument is clear.

A non-great QB *Alex Smith fits this*
additionally a Bottom 5-10 Pass Weapons
additionally a Bottom 5-10 Pass Blocking

And my god some act like we have to defend a
69.4 season Eli had in 2013
73.1 season Flacco had in 2013

Smith had a very solid and very unspectacular season in 2014 with a 93.4 rating