The sad thing is this line could be just as bad next year

[Cosmos]

Next years position of disaster with be the LB corps.

No DJ and probibly no Vrabel.

Lets see what Studebaker has.

[KCDC]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The morons screwed up by not drafting OL this year. They were too hell bent on switching to the shitty 3-4.

This. By doing the switch, it forced us to flush our 4-3 defensive linemen for nothing, and use half of our top draft picks for 2-3 years to do the transition.

A team with lots of needs does not need to switch to another type of defense which creates a bucket full of fresh needs.

[Just Passin' By]

They replaced a defense that set a league record for fewest sacks, and some of you people are still bitching about the switch to the 3-4.

Newsflash: You can't expect to improve 45+ positions in one season and, no matter where you do improve, you'll still have areas which suck enough that impatient and/or stupid fans will be bitching even though it was a 2 win team the season before.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

They replaced a defense that set a league record for fewest sacks, and some of you people are still bitching about the switch to the 3-4.

Newsflash: You can't expect to improve 45+ positions in one season and, no matter where you do improve, you'll still have areas which suck enough that impatient and/or stupid fans will be bitching even though it was a 2 win team the season before.

No, they didn't improve the sacks numbers because of a scheme change.

The sack numbers are improved because Dorsey is devloping into a player that is disruptive on the D-Line.

Had they remained in a 43, and used Dorsey as the UT with Hali as the LDE, the improvement would very likely be much the same as it is now.

The last draft should have been dedicated to offense.
The next to defense.

They appear to be ass backwards.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

No, they didn't improve the sacks numbers because of a scheme change.

The sack numbers are improved because Dorsey is devloping into a player that is disruptive on the D-Line.

Had they remained in a 43, and used Dorsey as the UT with Hali as the LDE, the improvement would very likely be much the same as it is now.

The last draft should have been dedicated to offense.
The next to defense.

They appear to be ass backwards.

I didn't say that that sacks numbers changed because of a scheme change. My point was that the defense sucked in the 4-3 last season, so bitching about the change to a 3-4 is just idiotic. Bitching about changing if the 4-3 had been working would at least make sense.

As for the "ass backwards" claim:

• The Steelers are considered a top drafting team. They took corners with picks in the 3rd and 5th rounds, and defensive tackles in the 1st and 6th.



• The Giants went with defensive backs in rounds 6 and 7, as well as going linebacker in round 2, RB in the 4th and QB in the 5th.



• The Colts went DT in rounds 2 and 4, and CB in round 3.



• The Patriots were loaded with 12 picks and could take some gambles, but the team used 6 of those picks on defense, along with one on a long snapper, one on a player recovering from ACL surgery (Tate), and one that was a QB conversion gamble (Edelman)

All that 'great' offense, and top drafting teams were taking multiple defensive players, often at the top of the draft. That's because teams draft according to their plan, and their draft board. That plan differing from a message board poster's preference is not the same as that plan being wrong.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

They replaced a defense that set a league record for fewest sacks, and some of you people are still bitching about the switch to the 3-4.

Newsflash: You can't expect to improve 45+ positions in one season and, no matter where you do improve, you'll still have areas which suck enough that impatient and/or stupid fans will be bitching even though it was a 2 win team the season before.

We still could have drafted Jackson in the first. Cassel and Vrabel with the 2nd. From that point on was where you would have to rate the draft a big FAIL with regards to the offensive line.

We won't go into the first two rounds in this draft in this thread...

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Coogs

We still could have drafted Jackson in the first. Cassel and Vrabel with the 2nd. From that point on was where you would have to rate the draft a big FAIL with regards to the offensive line.

We won't go into the first two rounds in this draft in this thread...

Yep.

Even if you want to reach for Jackson, and the 2nd is already gone, you still could have done much, much more to improve this team, and specifically, the OL. Examples:

R3: Antoine Caldwell, Louis Vasquez, Kraig Urbik, Michael Johnson, Mike Wallace

R4: Jonathan Luigs, TJ Lang, Lawrence Sidbury, Austin Collie, Troy Kropog

R5: Johnny Knox, Jasper Brinkley, Fenuki Tupou, Macho Harris, Jamon Meridith, Duke Robinson

R6: Matt Slauson, Brandon Gibson, James Davis

R7: AQ Shipley, Julian Edelman, Zach Follett

[CHIEFS58]

this is not a face that inspires confidence. he basically looks out of his mind to me.

[BossChief]

I think fixing the oline starts by not trying to believe some players are what they are not.

Goff is NOT a starting calibur player anymore
Rudy is NOT a center

Im a patient man, but seeing the same weakness exploited game after game and no apparent attempt to fix it and instead focusing on other positions, is a little disturbing as a fan.

I simply can not understand why Goff stays on the field when there are two or three players that have displayed better ability and are much younger.

If we shuffled the line and came out after the bye like this:

Albert
Waters
Smith/Alleman
Rudy/Ndukwe
Ryan O.

the line has far fewer problems s it does now and it would give us a better idea of where we need to go in the offseason.

JMO

[DaWolf]

Guess we'll find out a lot about our front office this offseason...

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

Guess we'll find out a lot about our front office this offseason...

....this is the barometer, IMO.

[TrickyNicky]

Rudy and Wade's contracts are both up this year (per Walterfootball), so it will be telling which one we re-sign and/or draft a replacement.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

It really needs 4 new starters. Waters is close to being done......

Question from O-line experts on the board:

Can Waters be turned into a Center and thrive?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Question from O-line experts on the board:

Can Waters be turned into a Center and thrive?

No.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

No.

Why not? Not arguing with you. Just thinking the man has some talent but might have lost a step limiting his OG effectiveness (pulling, etc.). Is it really out of the question to try him at center next year? He has already responded well to a more major position change.