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Old 10-23-2015, 10:57 AM  
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Chiefs fans who want less of Alex Smith may get their wish after 2016

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Kansas City faithful want a divorce from their struggling signal-caller. But that signal-caller has a contract that doesn’t get (ahem) ‘team-friendly’ until AFTER next fall.

Look we get it, we get it: You want a divorce. Now. Yesterday, if possible.
You saw the wounded duck that left Alex Smith’s arm in the Twin Cities during a fourth-quarter comeback that fell short. And speaking of falling short, there was No. 11’s next offering. Mercy.
It may not seem conceivable, cruel even, for Kansas City Chiefs fans to get hammered with any more undesirable news at the moment. Not after 1-5 and a campaign that looks completely off the rails. Not after a freak injury ended Jamaal Charles’ season before he could try and save it. Not after Jeremy Maclin, the club’s only front-line veteran wide receiver, stuck in limbo as he recovers from a concussion.
Well, here’s some gruel to go with the cruel, baby: $7.1 million.
As in, that’s the cap hit the Chiefs would take by cutting Smith in 2016.
At least according to the fun little calculator provided by the folks over at OverTheCap.com, who list the dead money owed to the Chiefs’ quarterback at staggering $24.9 million as of next year. (Current dead money: an even more staggering $40.4 million.)
“Dead money,” in layman’s terms, is money from a player’s contract that continues to count against a team’s salary cap after said player is no longer on the roster. It’s not just a barometer of a particular team’s investment — it’s a benchmark of just how hard it could be to excise that player (and contract) immediately from the program.
The Chiefs have three players who are projected to account for more than $10 million in dead money in 2016, if cut: Smith, outside linebacker Justin Houston ($16.4 million) and wideout Jeremy Maclin ($19.35 million). In a salary-cap universe, long-term, big-money investments are precious. And, for better or worse, those are the three horses general manager John Dorsey has hitched his wagon to for at least the next 15 months. A June 1 cut of the Chiefs’ signal-caller would actually add $100,000 to the 2016 cap but still would leave $17.7 million in dead money.
To put it another way: In the short term, you’re stuck with him, kids.
So, yes, you could draft his replacement next spring. But instead of the wanderlust for, say, current Cal quarterback Jared Goff — a tall, smart California kid (not unlike Smith) whose college stats aren’t exactly hurt by playing in a Mike Leach-style passing system — maybe the Chiefs should invest a first round pick next spring by upgrading the toys Smith is going to be able to play with. Such as, say, left tackle. Or a valid No. 2 receiver. Or insurance/cover for either Charles or tight end Travis Kelce.
If the first six weeks have proven anything, it’s that No. 11 needs the help. And that the shopping list has rarely been longer.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:32 AM   #16
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That's the core problem. We need better QB play. But there are maybe 5-7 QBs in NFL history that can make the current team a legit contender. Even then, legit contender to SB participant or even champion is a roll of the dice.

We have many holes and everyone is obsessed with filling one.
I think most people agree with this but QB is the number one issue we should be trying to fix next year.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:37 AM   #17
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People made excuses for cassel too, until they no longer could
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:41 AM   #18
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People made excuses for cassel too, until they no longer could
Cassel had a much longer leash then smith does because Charlie Weis made him look like a top 15 QB in 2010 such a Red herring year.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:41 AM   #19
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So we are expected to wait until AFTER 2016 to see less of Alex Smith?

This is one reason we also need a new coach. Give me a coach who will say **** the dead money and bench his ass.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:49 AM   #20
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And our defense is a bunch of talented pretenders.

Like I've said, the Allen Iversons of the NFL.

People talking about 'better QB play has us with 2 more wins' answer honestly. Do you trust this defense to go into a 12-10 victory like the greatest show on turf faced in the playoffs against the Bucs in 1999?
With a better scheme and defensive coordinator, yes I do. Facing a pedestrian offense led by Sean ****ing King? 10 points? With this defensive line as the core? No problem.

We need some adjustments at LB. DJ and Hali are washed up and the other LB spot is... well... it exists, I guess. But Marcus Peters just needs some time to develop as a pro, and we've pretty much nailed the secondary.

If we hired Wade Phillips this offseason, our defense wouldn't be giving up 30 points per game, I can guarantee that.

90% of the mistakes being made on offense are because Alex does something wrong. The plays aren't very good to begin with, but we won 11 and 9 games the last two seasons with an inferior cast of receiving options and that same ****ing playbook.

Just look at Alex. Use the eye test. He's not efficient like he was those past two seasons. He's waaay more jittery. More indecisive. Doesn't run around as much.

He's done. Stick a fork in him. This season of his reminds me of when Jake Delhomme was cruising along doing his game manager thing, and even had a very successful 2009 season. Then 2010 hit and he just CRASHED. ****ing bottomed out. That was it. He couldn't do ANYTHING right. He was totally done.

That's Alex's season right here. You can tell. He's done as an NFL pro. Next stop is backing up Johnny Football in Cleveland. He's got ****ing NOTHING left.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:53 AM   #21
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if i remember right thats when the 49ers had one of the best o-line in the game but i could be wrong.
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Maybe for you and many, but you are (deliberately?) overlooking three very important aspects.

1. bottom 5 pass pro OL
2. Andy's playcalls
3. bottom 10 defense giving up the lead in the last minutes for two games

Alex is not good enough to save a team with these problems. I think maybe 5 QBs are good enough, but we can't have them.
#1 and #2 are the SAME ****ING THING he had the past two seasons.

The defensive woes are also inexplicable considering the vast improvement on the defensive line. I don't see it as being ALL 100% on slowdowns by Hali and Johnson. Definitely miscues in the secondary and a lack of depth after Gaines went down, but honestly, you can't EXPECT a team to go 4 and 5 deep at CB where the #4 and #5 guys play like #1 and #2 guys.

It's Alex. How can you not ****ing notice his awful play this year and how he brings the entire offense down? Just ****ing LOOK AT HIM
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With a better scheme and defensive coordinator, yes I do. Facing a pedestrian offense led by Sean ****ing King? 10 points? With this defensive line as the core? No problem.

We need some adjustments at LB. DJ and Hali are washed up and the other LB spot is... well... it exists, I guess. But Marcus Peters just needs some time to develop as a pro, and we've pretty much nailed the secondary.

If we hired Wade Phillips this offseason, our defense wouldn't be giving up 30 points per game, I can guarantee that.

90% of the mistakes being made on offense are because Alex does something wrong. The plays aren't very good to begin with, but we won 11 and 9 games the last two seasons with an inferior cast of receiving options and that same ****ing playbook.

Just look at Alex. Use the eye test. He's not efficient like he was those past two seasons. He's waaay more jittery. More indecisive. Doesn't run around as much.

He's done. Stick a fork in him. This season of his reminds me of when Jake Delhomme was cruising along doing his game manager thing, and even had a very successful 2009 season. Then 2010 hit and he just CRASHED. ****ing bottomed out. That was it. He couldn't do ANYTHING right. He was totally done.

That's Alex's season right here. You can tell. He's done as an NFL pro. Next stop is backing up Johnny Football in Cleveland. He's got ****ing NOTHING left.
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And fwiw, I kinda like how ramik has played. If March turns out to be any good, I'd be ready to let dj walk and see what happens.
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So we are expected to wait until AFTER 2016 to see less of Alex Smith?

This is one reason we also need a new coach. Give me a coach who will say **** the dead money and bench his ass.
We are the 2014 Texans with Schaub.

We can bench smith at the start of next season but we might find some one stupid enough to trade a 5th or a 6th for Smith.
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We are the 2014 Texans with Schaub.

We can bench smith at the start of next season but we might find some one stupid enough to trade a 5th or a 6th for Smith.
Swap 7th round picks with someone else (either up or down) and toss in Smith. Problem solved.
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And fwiw, I kinda like how ramik has played. If March turns out to be any good, I'd be ready to let dj walk and see what happens.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:57 AM   #28
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And fwiw, I kinda like how ramik has played. If March turns out to be any good, I'd be ready to let dj walk and see what happens.
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/archi.../t-292271.html

I was happy we drafted ramik
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Smith has obviously lost his own confidence and his team's confidence. He's just playing out the string now - like Cassel was. We'd be better off getting Murray or Daniels reps. The idea of going into next season with Smith at the helm is vomitous.

The Denver game broke the team's confidence in themselves. Then the next couple games solidified everyone's lack of confidence in Smith.
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Smith has obviously lost his own confidence and his team's confidence. He's just playing out the string now - like Cassel was. We'd be better off getting Murray or Daniels reps. The idea of going into next season with Smith at the helm is vomitous.

The Denver game broke the team's confidence in themselves. Then the next couple games solidified everyone's lack of confidence in Smith.
That confidence is never coming back with smith behind center and Reid holding the clipboard 1-15 needs to get us a new QB and a HC.
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