Browns Trade OL Cam Erving To Chiefs

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Let's see here. What has this Browns new management done?

-thought Carson Wentz was a shit QB and wouldn't draft him.
-let Alex Mack go
-let Mitchell Schwartz go
-let Terrell Pryor go

They don't exactly have smart people there...

They are also idiots for not drafting Ruben Foster at 29.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Scooter Libby

They are also idiots for not drafting Ruben Foster at 29.

I don't think the browns approach is wrong. I wonder if it's a little arrogant. It's almost like they're trying to prove moneyball works by passing on highly touted prospects. They're not just trading high priced veterans. They're also giving away cheap ones, repeatedly trading down in the first round, and passing up on highly ranked prospects.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I It's almost like they're trying to prove moneyball works by passing on highly touted prospects

The Browns are NOT employing "Moneyball".

NFL teams have to spend within 99% of the Cap Limit over a 4 year period. Baseball has no such rule.

The Browns are NOT going out and getting guys on the cheap, they're loading up on draft picks in order to select the best player that fits there system that's available.

They have SIX picks in the Top 100 in 2018 and they'll probably continue to stockpile talent and move around in the draft.

It won't be very long until they're a contender year in and year out.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Browns are NOT employing "Moneyball".

NFL teams have to spend within 99% of the Cap Limit over a 4 year period. Baseball has no such rule.

The Browns are NOT going out and getting guys on the cheap, they're loading up on draft picks in order to select the best player that fits there system that's available.

They have SIX picks in the Top 100 in 2018 and they'll probably continue to stockpile talent and move around in the draft.

It won't be very long until they're a contender year in and year out.

I guess it depends on how you look at it.

I would give up every pick they made last year for their original 2nd overall to pick Carson Wentz.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Browns are NOT employing "Moneyball".

NFL teams have to spend within 99% of the Cap Limit over a 4 year period. Baseball has no such rule.

The Browns are NOT going out and getting guys on the cheap, they're loading up on draft picks in order to select the best player that fits there system that's available.

They have SIX picks in the Top 100 in 2018 and they'll probably continue to stockpile talent and move around in the draft.

It won't be very long until they're a contender year in and year out.

Two years in a row they traded out of a top 15 pick.

And they hit their cap minimum because they traded for osweiler so they can absorb his ridiculous contract in order to hit the cap floor.

Again, nothing wrong with stockpiling picks and giving away veterans in a rebuild. The strategy isn't wrong. I just wonder if there's some arrogance in constantly trading out of high first round picks and believing your entire roster should be built in the later rounds. Especially at the qb position.

And depodesta is a moneyball guy. Its fair to ask if he's trying to prove that he can win on value picks. Maybe he can. But there's clearly an agenda.

[saphojunkie]

Erving has had some epically bad plays. Strung together it makes you wonder how anyone would have thought he could ever step on the field, much less be a first round pick.

Having said that, they must think they can do something with him. If they can, my god hats off to the coaching staff. Still don't give a **** about a fifth, but I think expecting virtually anything from this is wishful thinking.

[Sandy Vagina]

not sure if these were posted in here yet, but

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

not sure if these were posted in here yet, but

at the one where he falls like a baby that lost its balance.

[rico]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

not sure if these were posted in here yet, but

Yay, another Chief not named Alex for Sandy to hate.

[chiefzilla1501]

Interestingly, just down the street from the browns is another team that made a habit of stockpiling picks and trade downs. The Cavs had to fire Chris Grant so they could hire a gm who didn't try to get too cute. I think the browns are in the same danger. They keep stockpiling picks, ditching their veterans, and passing on qbs on a wait for next year approach. Only in Cleveland.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Interestingly, just down the street from the browns is another team that made a habit of stockpiling picks and trade downs. The Cavs had to fire Chris Grant so they could hire a gm who didn't try to get too cute. I think the browns are in the same danger. They keep stockpiling picks, ditching their veterans, and passing on qbs on a wait for next year approach. Only in Cleveland.

In Cleveland's (Browns) defense, they really had nothing when Sashi and company took over except a decent O-line. They really have to re-tool everywhere and set a foundation.

I do agree with the fact that they were absolute idiots to pass on Wentz, but outside of that decision I think stockpiling picks for the next couple of years was their best course of action.

We're going to get to see how that action starts to pay off beginning this year, since several players from the 2016 and 2017 classes will be starting.

As it stands, it looks as though Coleman (WR, Rd 1-16), Ogbah (DE, Rd 2-16), Coleman (RT, Rd 3-16), Schobert (MLB, Rd 4-16), Louis (Slot WR, Rd 4-16), Kindred (FS, Rd 4-16), Garrett (DE, Rd 1-17), Peppers (SS, Rd 1-17), Kizer (QB, Rd 2-17), and possibly Gonzalez (K, Rd 7-17) will all start (Louis may be the one exception but likely significant playing time). That's 10 starters in 2 drafts that have been replaced.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by kccrow

In Cleveland's (Browns) defense, they really had nothing when Sashi and company took over except a decent O-line. They really have to re-tool everywhere and set a foundation.

I do agree with the fact that they were absolute idiots to pass on Wentz, but outside of that decision I think stockpiling picks for the next couple of years was their best course of action.

We're going to get to see how that action starts to pay off beginning this year, since several players from the 2016 and 2017 classes will be starting.

As it stands, it looks as though Coleman (WR, Rd 1-16), Ogbah (DE, Rd 2-16), Coleman (RT, Rd 3-16), Schobert (MLB, Rd 4-16), Louis (Slot WR, Rd 4-16), Kindred (FS, Rd 4-16), Garrett (DE, Rd 1-17), Peppers (SS, Rd 1-17), Kizer (QB, Rd 2-17), and possibly Gonzalez (K, Rd 7-17) will all start (Louis may be the one exception but likely significant playing time). That's 10 starters in 2 drafts that have been replaced.

I think the moneyball guy on the browns is trying to outclever the competition. He wants to prove he can win with diamonds in the rough. The same strategy that had the Cavs reach for Anthony Bennett and Dion Waiters. We will see how the browns drafts actually wind up. But they gave up a lot of veteran talent to get these picks. And they passed up several excellent picks to trade down. Those guys are starting because they traded away all the veterans and their backups are horrible. We will see but last year's browns picks didn't do very much.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kccrow

In Cleveland's (Browns) defense, they really had nothing when Sashi and company took over except a decent O-line.

I think tanking and loading up on draft choices is the right way to rebuild a franchise.

They didn't like Wentz. So what. They added pieces and added even more this year.

Their defense could be downright nasty.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think tanking and loading up on draft choices is the right way to rebuild a franchise.



They didn't like Wentz. So what. They added pieces and added even more this year.



Their defense could be downright nasty.

Tanking is the new black.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Tanking is the new black.

I think watching the Bills/Jets games will be entertaining...they are both tanking...it just depends on who wants to suck more.

Neither one wants to win...they want a top QB. That's going to be some conflicted shit...both starting QBs are probably going to be sick that weekend.