Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But thats not the way it works. Because if you're all in to win now, people will complain if the chiefs draft a guy who doesn't fill an immediate need. The strategy should be to draft, give young guys a shot, and then use free agency to fill in the gaps. The only reason you're putting pressure on the chiefs to draft a safety is because you're convinced they have to win now.

The chiefs done need a pass rusher. They don't need a QB right away . but if these guys are the big, you take them. I would rather the chiefs draft without caring about who fills an immediate need.

That's why you spend a little bit of money to bring in a free safety like Ward or even Clemons. Or you re-sign Schwartz or bring in Dietrich-Smith. It's called hedging your bets.

It's just two spots. Only two. We could have filled them cheaply with free agents, and then it wouldn't really matter who we selected in the first. Nobody would bitch about drafting an OLB, QB, CB, or DL for depth at least in his rookie year.

People blow their stacks when the team leaves gaping holes in the roster or fills trivial needs like G with 1st round picks. That's what gets them pissed off.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by SNR

The idea is you get those guys now in free agnecy, and that lets you draft purely for BPA. It goes hand in hand with your draft strategy to stock up on as much talent as possible. And in doing so, you cut dead weight every year and replace it with those draft picks. It means that next year you cut guys like Daniel, Flowers, and Fasano. If you drafted right, you might even be able to save money on letting go of a Sean Smith or Mike DeVito. If you're REALLY doing it right, Tamba Hali would also get let go. And that's how you afford to keep Berry, Houston, and Alex Smith.

No, the system isn't perfect. You're going to get some sour picks and sour free agents, but the key is it grants flexibility. That's the most important part. For example, let's say we signed TJ Ward. That means there is less pressure on us to take a Calvin Pryor at 23 when potentially a player like Eric Ebron drops to our spot. Or Mike Evans. Or Darqueze Dennard. Or ****... perhaps even Teddy Bridgewater. The draft is fully of unexpected surprises, and in a deep class like this one, there will be several players that we're shocked to see still available.

If you take care of pressing needs in free agency, that means there's no pressure to take need into account when making your choices. It's the difference between the Chiefs taking Xavier Suo'Filo because they have to and taking Dee Ford or Rashede Hageman because they WANT to.

Totally agree with this, the judicious import of young, proven free agents to fill starting spot needs gives you so much much more leeway in the draft, while almost guaranteeing a high level of production at those starting spots... it simply allows a team to be creative in the draft.

One TJ Ward signing has a domino effect on the entire team and draft process... not even one real difference maker this year, I still don't get it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by scott free

Totally agree with this, the judicious import of young, proven free agents to fill starting spot needs gives you so much much more leeway in the draft, while almost guaranteeing a high level of production at those starting spots... it simply allows a team to be creative in the draft.

One TJ Ward signing has a domino effect on the entire team and draft process... not even one real difference maker this year, I still don't get it.

What gives you the most leeway is walking into the draft believing you can take anybody, even if you have a starter already at that position. If you sign TJ Ward and send the message that you're trying to "win now" then you just took Safety off your draft board and are now forced to target a draft pick who is ready to start right away. That means drafting a safe pick and pigeonholing yourself to filling a few positions of need, versus walking into the draft with an open mind.

[BossChief]

I actually think we will have a much better year than most think and have shown my reasoning for such a stance, but the weaknesses this roster has could have been eliminated going into the draft with a little maneuvering here and there...which it seems these guys are unwilling to do.

[BossChief]

I know we don't really want to like Alex Smith because of team history and seeing a pic of Cassel further solidify s that thought process, but I truly believe that the guy is gonna have a big year in 2014.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I know we don't really want to like Alex Smith because of team history and seeing a pic of Cassel further solidify s that thought process, but I truly believe that the guy is gonna have a big year in 2014.

Which is the absolute worst thing that can happen if this team wants to seriously move forward in rebuilding.

Unless the man wants to accept the fact he's keeping the seat warm for a true franchise QB that the team should happen to come across and is willing to be paid as such.

Kansas City cannot give that guy a Tony Romo or Jay Cutler contract at all.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Which is the absolute worst thing that can happen if this team wants to seriously move forward in rebuilding.

Unless the man wants to accept the fact he's keeping the seat warm for a true franchise QB that the team should happen to come across and is willing to be paid as such.

Kansas City cannot give that guy a Tony Romo or Jay Cutler contract at all.

And yet Tony Romo and Jay Cutler got Tony Romo or Jay Cutler level deals.

And then one has to consider that Smith is younger and is at least the equal of either player.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And yet Tony Romo and Jay Cutler got Tony Romo or Jay Cutler level deals.

And then one has to consider that Smith is younger and is at least the equal of either player.

Elway at 37/38, Brad Johnson at 34, Steve Young 33 years old are the oldest QBs to win a Superbowl since the the Free Agency period began. Eli and Brees were 31, Peyton 30.

Odds are Smith isn't winning anything more than a conference title at best by the time this team is ready to compete.


Also, here's a chart showing the production of WRs and RBs to further illustrate why this team is more likely to crater than it is to actually win a postseason contest considering JC is KC's only consistent offensive threat:

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And yet Tony Romo and Jay Cutler got Tony Romo or Jay Cutler level deals.

And then one has to consider that Smith is younger and is at least the equal of either player.

Romo and Cutler got their contracts. And now they'll never get rings.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Romo and Cutler got their contracts. And now they'll never get rings.

Speaking of which, what was the deal with the Bears and McCown? Did he shit the bed some time last year and I missed it, are they that in love with Cutler [he did get a new K while coming back from injury, right?], or was it out of their hands?

I only caught three games, IIRC, but they were three pretty impressive games. More impressive than I've seen of Cutler.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

3 drafts like 08 to even compete I swear I am in the looney bin

[TEX]

Originally Posted by PGM

3 drafts like 08 to even compete I swear I am in the looney bin

Exactly.
It was the most ridiculous statement in this thread which is full of many...

[Messier]

I'll put it another way, Jonathan Cyprien, Justin Hunter, Zach Ertz, Darius Slay, Giovani Bernard, Manti Te'o, Geno Smith, Cornellius Carradine, Robert Woods, and Menelik Watson. were the first ten picks of the second round last year. I'd take Alex Smith over these players now, and going forward.

[htismaqe]

There's also the fact that Drew Brees won a Super Bowl with a defense that was very similar to those defenses under DV...

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I am sorry but two seconds is something that shouldn't be insurmountable to overcome. The level of play last year exceeded that value.