Veach and Reid have a template to compete each year

[BigRedChief]

They are using a Bellicheck/Brady modified version they used to sustain success.

Basics:

• Elite QB
• Great O-line
• JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's
• Solid Defense
• Good kicking game

Discipline

• Move up in the draft to get "your" guy despite what the points say
• Leverage the success to encourage and work with older and cheaper FA vets seeking a ring offering one year contracts.
• Don't give 3rd contracts to your guys over 30. No matter how good they are currently.

Seems obvious to me. What say you?

[O.city]

Mahomes first 3 years in the league he had the best RT in football

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Mahomes first 3 years in the league he had the best RT in football

Who they brought in before mahomes. As was kelce, fisher, and tyreek.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Who they brought in before mahomes. As was kelce, fisher, and tyreek.

Why would they look to replace him and or those guys while they were in their primes?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It is fair to be critical when we have not done well developing our own guys since umpteen years ago when we drafted tyreek. I’m being plenty patient and have not called these guys busts. I’m simply saying we need to hit on these picks. And we can’t just shrug off bad moves because our coaches can elevate the talent.

Look at tackle. Two stories. On the one hand we put a ton into LT and busted. On the other hand we’ve barely even tried at RT even if that meant poorly protecting mahomes.

The front office is capable of doing better and of course it is a nitpick considering all the great they’ve done. But let’s not massage this by saying we’ve been very good at finding offensive talent since we drafted mahomes. We just haven’t been. Either we’ve tried and haven’t been successful. Or we should be trying harder.

We have not done well developing our own guys? Other than Hardman, who the **** have they drafted and failed to develop? You don't even make sense. The problem there has been a lack of investment, not a failure in development, and NOW they've invested quite a bit over the last year. Again, maybe give it some ****ing time?

As for the OL, they've put together a top 5 OL. They got better at OT this offseason. What the **** are you even talking about?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Why would they look to replace him and or those guys while they were in their primes?

From everything he's said on this subject, zilla seems to think that you can fill all of your current AND future needs every year in the draft. It's that easy!

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It is fair to be critical when we have not done well developing our own guys since umpteen years ago when we drafted tyreek. I’m being plenty patient and have not called these guys busts. I’m simply saying we need to hit on these picks. And we can’t just shrug off bad moves because our coaches can elevate the talent.

Look at tackle. Two stories. On the one hand we put a ton into LT and busted. On the other hand we’ve barely even tried at RT even if that meant poorly protecting mahomes.

The front office is capable of doing better and of course it is a nitpick considering all the great they’ve done. But let’s not massage this by saying we’ve been very good at finding offensive talent since we drafted mahomes. We just haven’t been. Either we’ve tried and haven’t been successful. Or we should be trying harder.

We’re gonna learn a lot about WR this year IMO. This is a make or break year for Skyy and we’ll get a glimpse of Rice’s talents.

Tackle probably isn’t fair for us. We’re never gonna be drafting high enough to get a good LT unless Patrick has a season ending injury at the beginning of the year (knocking on wood furiously).

But I like the Taylor pickup. Don’t care if he’s playing RT or LT. Thuney, Creed, Trey and Taylor is one hell of a 4 man OL. If Smith is even competent that will put us in the top 5.

[Mecca]

I don't for a second think the Chiefs don't value WR, after them trying to keep Hill and going after AJ Brown tells me all I need to know about the value of that position to them.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Why would they look to replace him and or those guys while they were in their primes?

keep in mind that during this time we were content to roll out Wylie and Reiter and everyone from remmers to wisnewski to address our interior. Instead of building a young pipeline of interior linemen we hit a red hot emergency where we had to replace all 5 OL in one offseason.

We knew we needed two starters at vital Tackle positions and have had a few years to address. We went two seasons with subpar play and once again have to scramble for immediate replacements because we couldn’t develop a single option in house.

At WR… we have not developed a single WR that has been anything but a situational guy. Maybe that changes with skyy and rashee. But historically we have not done well so the criticism is warranted. I get the optimism but in the past 2 years we’ve had bad play at Tackle and WR and we still have big time question marks at both positions going into the season. It’s not ideal and it’s the type of thing you need to address before the dam bursts not after.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

From everything he's said on this subject, zilla seems to think that you can fill all of your current AND future needs every year in the draft. It's that easy!

Since mahomes was drafted we have not hit on a single offense skill position. We did well on interior OL and RB (only after years of awful play). Nobody but a homer can say we’ve been anything better than a C at the most crucial skill positions which is OT and WR.

It is not just one draft. It is every draft since mahomes.

It’s the uncomfortable truth. But our offensive talent eval has simply not been good and we’ve probably been using the greatness of 4 HOFs to not see it for what it is.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Since mahomes was drafted we have not hit on a single offense skill position. We did well on interior OL and RB (only after years of awful play). Nobody but a homer can say we’ve been anything better than a C at the most crucial skill positions which is OT and WR.

It is not just one draft. It is every draft since mahomes.

It’s the uncomfortable truth. But our offensive talent eval has simply not been good and we’ve probably been using the greatness of 4 HOFs to not see it for what it is.

You keep repeating this while ignoring the fact that they only drafted ****ing Hardman at WR. You really cant differentiate between lack of investment and failure to develop, huh?

If you're including RB, they literally just hit on a 7th round badass last year.

Again, you're ****ing reeruned.

[Mecca]

They haven't put much investment into skill positions to this point.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

They haven't put much investment into skill positions to this point.

But they haven't developed those guys yet!

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But they haven't developed those guys yet!

Did people really think Cornell Powell was suppose to be a starting WR? Dudes taken in that spot are literally WR 5/6 that play teams or just sit on the PS.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Did people really think Cornell Powell was suppose to be a starting WR? Dudes taken in that spot are literally WR 5/6 that play teams or just sit on the PS.

Apparently they do.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You keep repeating this while ignoring the fact that they only drafted ****ing Hardman at WR. You really cant differentiate between lack of investment and failure to develop, huh?

If you're including RB, they literally just hit on a 7th round badass last year.

Again, you're ****ing reeruned.

Lack of investment is included in failure to develop. You can’t just wait until the dam is broken. And when the dam is broken you have to act with some urgency. If your path is to use the draft you have to throw a lot of picks at it. And you can’t wait until the very last minute to do it which is exactly what we did. And if you rely on the draft you HAVE to hit on those picks. We needed a WR2 for years. Especially when we realized Sammy couldn’t stay on the field. We placed a ceiling on tyreek hill pay yet did nothing to groom his replacement. And even in the years after we’re duct taping things together. we’re walking into camp with a HUGE question mark at one of our OT spots. And while we have WR options, we have ?s there too.

The fact is this… when we had money we went full blast at upgrading our defense. Understandably so. Now that we have less money we’re using the best and most of our best draft picks on defense. Which is fine. But that’s unsettling when we have so many question marks on offense. I don’t know how anyone can dispute at this point that defense is getting way more attention than the offense is. We have quality starters and depth at EVERY defensive position.

Sorry I love what we’ve done with this team. But we don’t need to sugarcoat it. I get if you want to be optimistic that we’re finally addressing it. But how can anyone claim that in terms of new talent added weve graded anything but a C or lower on the two most important non qb skill positions (WR, OT)