Veach and Reid have a template to compete each year

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Why would they look to replace him and or those guys while they were in their primes?

From everything he's said on this subject, zilla seems to think that you can fill all of your current AND future needs every year in the draft. It's that easy!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

From everything he's said on this subject, zilla seems to think that you can fill all of your current AND future needs every year in the draft. It's that easy!

Since mahomes was drafted we have not hit on a single offense skill position. We did well on interior OL and RB (only after years of awful play). Nobody but a homer can say we’ve been anything better than a C at the most crucial skill positions which is OT and WR.

It is not just one draft. It is every draft since mahomes.

It’s the uncomfortable truth. But our offensive talent eval has simply not been good and we’ve probably been using the greatness of 4 HOFs to not see it for what it is.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Since mahomes was drafted we have not hit on a single offense skill position. We did well on interior OL and RB (only after years of awful play). Nobody but a homer can say we’ve been anything better than a C at the most crucial skill positions which is OT and WR.

It is not just one draft. It is every draft since mahomes.

It’s the uncomfortable truth. But our offensive talent eval has simply not been good and we’ve probably been using the greatness of 4 HOFs to not see it for what it is.

You keep repeating this while ignoring the fact that they only drafted ****ing Hardman at WR. You really cant differentiate between lack of investment and failure to develop, huh?

If you're including RB, they literally just hit on a 7th round badass last year.

Again, you're ****ing reeruned.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You keep repeating this while ignoring the fact that they only drafted ****ing Hardman at WR. You really cant differentiate between lack of investment and failure to develop, huh?

If you're including RB, they literally just hit on a 7th round badass last year.

Again, you're ****ing reeruned.

Lack of investment is included in failure to develop. You can’t just wait until the dam is broken. And when the dam is broken you have to act with some urgency. If your path is to use the draft you have to throw a lot of picks at it. And you can’t wait until the very last minute to do it which is exactly what we did. And if you rely on the draft you HAVE to hit on those picks. We needed a WR2 for years. Especially when we realized Sammy couldn’t stay on the field. We placed a ceiling on tyreek hill pay yet did nothing to groom his replacement. And even in the years after we’re duct taping things together. we’re walking into camp with a HUGE question mark at one of our OT spots. And while we have WR options, we have ?s there too.

The fact is this… when we had money we went full blast at upgrading our defense. Understandably so. Now that we have less money we’re using the best and most of our best draft picks on defense. Which is fine. But that’s unsettling when we have so many question marks on offense. I don’t know how anyone can dispute at this point that defense is getting way more attention than the offense is. We have quality starters and depth at EVERY defensive position.

Sorry I love what we’ve done with this team. But we don’t need to sugarcoat it. I get if you want to be optimistic that we’re finally addressing it. But how can anyone claim that in terms of new talent added weve graded anything but a C or lower on the two most important non qb skill positions (WR, OT)

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Lack of investment is included in failure to develop. You can’t just wait until the dam is broken. And when the dam is broken you have to act with some urgency. If your path is to use the draft you have to throw a lot of picks at it. And you can’t wait until the very last minute to do it which is exactly what we did. And if you rely on the draft you HAVE to hit on those picks. We needed a WR2 for years. Especially when we realized Sammy couldn’t stay on the field. We placed a ceiling on tyreek hill pay yet did nothing to groom his replacement. And even in the years after we’re duct taping things together. we’re walking into camp with a HUGE question mark at one of our OT spots. And while we have WR options, we have ?s there too.

The fact is this… when we had money we went full blast at upgrading our defense. Understandably so. Now that we have less money we’re using the best and most of our best draft picks on defense. Which is fine. But that’s unsettling when we have so many question marks on offense. I don’t know how anyone can dispute at this point that defense is getting way more attention than the offense is. We have quality starters and depth at EVERY defensive position.

Sorry I love what we’ve done with this team. But we don’t need to sugarcoat it. I get if you want to be optimistic that we’re finally addressing it. But how can anyone claim that in terms of new talent added weve graded anything but a C or lower on the two most important non qb skill positions (WR, OT)

Considering they've played in the most important game in all of sports 3 times in the last 4 years, I'd say whatever they're doing is working. Maybe they're not doing it the way we would but I'd say they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Considering they've played in the most important game in all of sports 3 times in the last 4 years, I'd say whatever they're doing is working. Maybe they're not doing it the way we would but I'd say they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

I’m not claiming the sky is falling or saying we need radical change. Of course I love the majority of what we’re doing and respect the hell out of Veach. But it’s ok to say we aren’t perfect.

I think we’re leaning too far in the direction of creating a complete defense while asking Reid and mahomes to work with lesser ingredients. Yes we are winning despite those warts. And no greater example than putting mahomes behind an OL that was once horrible, and more recently has been very problematic on the edges. We can acknowledge our offense has still been very good while also recognizing that this is really not ideal.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I’m not claiming the sky is falling or saying we need radical change. Of course I love the majority of what we’re doing and respect the hell out of Veach. But it’s ok to say we aren’t perfect.

I think we’re leaning too far in the direction of creating a complete defense while asking Reid and mahomes to work with lesser ingredients. Yes we are winning despite those warts. And no greater example than putting mahomes behind an OL that was once horrible, and more recently has been very problematic on the edges. We can acknowledge our offense has still been very good while also recognizing that this is really not ideal.

I think last year I was in lock-step with you on the preference to focus on the offense and in particular WRs. I thought our WR room looked pretty dog-sh**, and yet, they got it done. So it's hard for me to go down the same route, especially as they HAVE drafted 2 2nd round WRs and we need to see what we have.

BUT...I am an offense first guy. Even if Rice is excellent, Toney is elite and healthy and Moore steps up, I'm probably still looking for more weapons at SOME point in the draft. If we have anything less than that I'm probably going early again. We know Mahomes can win it all with one elite receiver and a lot of OK, but I really want to make sure we keep that one elite option available.

[FloridaMan88]

The JAG WR theory will get tested if/when Kelce begins to see a decline in his production due to age.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Considering they've played in the most important game in all of sports 3 times in the last 4 years, I'd say whatever they're doing is working. Maybe they're not doing it the way we would but I'd say they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

Scoreboard.
Guarantee you other teams are going to try their version of it too.

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Can't believe CP is actually on board with building up the Chiefs in the Patriot's Way.

it’s not exactly the same. A Veach twist to their template. Bellicheck moved down in the draft. Veach moves up. Bottom line.. Results matter. And the results are fantastic.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The JAG WR theory will get tested if/when Kelce begins to see a decline in his production due to age.

Thats the next crisis for sure. Not just the production but being So close to Mahomes. His security blanket. He’ll have to learn the new version of the offense. We couldn’t wing it deep with double teams and cover 2. Had to throw it short. Right into Kelce’s wheelhouse.

Who knows what they do when he retires in two years? He’s got a future in media. Make plenty of money, bang supermodels and no one is looking to take his head off. But, that time ain’t next year. The SB train is still on the rails.