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Old 08-25-2023, 10:11 AM   #1
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I get why you want to just give in and hand Jones a blank check. As a GM have to look at it as all players/agents are looking at you. You give Jones a few extra million what do you think all other agents are going to yell about? Snowball effect

Jones should be getting $24.5 million and not a penny more. Historically at the DT position the top players coming up for a new contract topped the market by $500k. Even Aarron Donald before his current contract that the Rams gave him.

Jones should get $24.5 million to become the highest paid DT minus AD. Veach even giving him $26 or $27 would and should be considered over paying. At $30+ million is just beyond anything rational.

The compromise would be the $24.5 Average with some incentive kickers on personal performance NOT team. Like 10 sacks he gets another million, 15 sacks he get another million.

OR just give him $30+ million for the hell of it and get ready for more hold outs from every player wanting a new contract because Veach shows he will cave.

Jones is asking for about 20% more than the highest paid DT not named AD atm.

ATM the highest paid QB is Justin Herbert at an average of $52.5 MILLION. Now lets say Mahomes, who has been a team friendly player decides he wants a new contract and be paid 20% more than the highest guy. While just like Jones we would all agree Mahomes is the best and deserves to be the highest paid.

$52.5M+20%=would be $63 Million.

That would 100% cripple the team to make a HUGE 20% jump in position value. Rams are crippled from doing this with AD and Veach should not pay Jones 20% more than the "real" highest paid DT.

$24.5 Million or bust VEACH!!!!!
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Old 08-25-2023, 12:39 PM   #2
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If he indeed is the unicorn the article says he is, the next 3 years shouldn't be an issue.

I guess we will see if Veach and co agree or disagree though.
His history says that he isn't.
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:31 AM   #3
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If contracts were handed out for past performance rather than future projections, this article would make a lot of sense. The issue isn't a question of his performance last year (or even this year) - it's a question of the 3-4 years after that.

This + how the hell are we going to extend Bolton Gay Sneed Smith Creed when the time comes? This team is stacked with super stars and if they cave to Jones then more players will likely hold out. Brenda Veach needs to cover her ass on contracts . Didn't Dorsey get fired for irresponsible contracts?
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:33 AM   #4
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This + how the hell are we going to extend Bolton Gay Sneed Smith Creed when the time comes? This team is stacked with super stars and if they cave to Jones then more players will likely hold out. Brenda Veach needs to cover her ass on contracts . Didn't Dorsey get fired for irresponsible contracts?
They'll keep 2 of those 4 whether they sign JOnes or not.
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Old 08-25-2023, 11:06 AM   #5
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If contracts were handed out for past performance rather than future projections, this article would make a lot of sense. The issue isn't a question of his performance last year (or even this year) - it's a question of the 3-4 years after that.
Yup.

If you pay for past performance, you get future ****ed.
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:38 AM   #7
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:40 AM   #8
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Link to Article: https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/08/25/wh...le-chris-jones
We already did that in 2020.
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We already did that in 2020.
Yeah, and he got better.
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Old 08-25-2023, 09:45 AM   #10
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Yeah, and he got better.
What. No he didn't. It took him 5 seasons to match the production of that 2018 season. 2 elite years sandwiching borderline elite years. Coincidentally it's right around the point where he's nearing the end of his current contract. Funny how that works out. And while you could justify paying him back then since he still had MANY prime years left, that's not the case anymore.
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What. No he didn't. It took him 5 seasons to match the production of that 2018 season. 2 elite years sandwiching borderline elite years. Coincidentally it's right around the point where he's nearing the end of his current contract. Funny how that works out. And while you could justify paying him back then since he still had MANY prime years left, that's not the case anymore.
I don't think it's a coincidence that once they got more pass rushers around him he put up better numbers. Contract years are undefeated though.

Everyone is acting like he's had shit years and 2 great years.

Dude's been a top 2 or 3 player at his position for a while and then has the best year of his career.
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Yeah, and he got better.
For a contract year which he knew he needed to do what he's doing now. You're looking too deep at one season instead of the body of work.

2019-9 sacks, 8 TFL, 29 QB hits
2020-7.5 sacks, 3 TFL, 28 QB hits
2021-9 sacks, 17 TFL, 8 QB hits
2022-15.5 sacks, 17 TFL, 29 QB hits

The data suggests that if he's not in a contract year he won't be what he was last year. Are the 3 years prior to last worth $30 million APY?
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For a contract year which he knew he needed to do what he's doing now. You're looking too deep at one season instead of the body of work.

2019-9 sacks, 8 TFL, 29 QB hits
2020-7.5 sacks, 3 TFL, 28 QB hits
2021-9 sacks, 17 TFL, 8 QB hits
2022-15.5 sacks, 17 TFL, 29 QB hits

The data suggests that if he's not in a contract year he won't be what he was last year. Are the 3 years prior to last worth $30 million APY?
That shows a consistently great DT that occasionally has monster seasons. And at least we can look forward to his monster season in 2025-26 right?
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