Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 4

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

Radar Chief · 12-14-2009, 02:25 PM

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Rasputin · 12-14-2009, 02:44 PM

I'm dissapointed we can't get a first quarter TD. More pathetic than any thing. It takes two quarters to get a field goal. Every ounce of energy they have to drive 70 yds just for a field goal. That's what we are watching on the field. What are we the leagues worst at 3rd down conversions. It's everything the coaches & the players that arn't getting the job done. We have regressed this year not progressed that is what was expected is progession get better as the season goes.

I would like to see Cassel take this team down field and score a TD in the first quarter at least. He needs to find a way to do it then maybe they could build confidence for the rest of the game and play better as a team.

I would much rather see Brodie play than Cassel allways have but not going to happen so Cassel needs to grow a pair and get the job done.

**tyler360** · 12-14-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Are you saying he couldn't have signed Jason Brown? TJ Houshmanzedah? Chris Canty? Michael Boley? Igor Olshansky?

The list goes on and on.

The man took the job in mid-January. It's not like he was hired in early April.

Maybe Clark told him no free agents because the budget is tight right now. Those Stadium renovations are costing a lot of money. That may not be the reason but after hearing about the whole chan gailey thing this cannot be discounted at all.

**The Franchise** · 12-14-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

Maybe Clark told him no free agents because the budget is tight right now. Those Stadium renovations are costing a lot of money. That may not be the reason but after hearing about the whole chan gailey thing this cannot be discounted at all.

If that's the case.....then Clark Hunt needs to get the **** out.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

Maybe Clark told him no free agents because the budget is tight right now. Those Stadium renovations are costing a lot of money. That may not be the reason but after hearing about the whole chan gailey thing this cannot be discounted at all.

It absolutely can be discounted.

NFL owners have been chasing Pioli for years. He turned them all down to stay in NE.

You're going to try to convince me that when he finally takes a job, and leaves NE, he decides on a place where the owner tells him to fix his team, but not spend money?

**tyler360** · 12-14-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

If that's the case.....then Clark Hunt needs to get the **** out.

Im just saying that it is a factor to consider instead of putting 100% of the blame on Pioli.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-14-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

Maybe Clark told him no free agents because the budget is tight right now. Those Stadium renovations are costing a lot of money. That may not be the reason but after hearing about the whole chan gailey thing this cannot be discounted at all.

Bull****.

They paid out the same to Jackson and Cassel than they would have if they had stayed put and drafted Sanchez, Mauluga, and brought in Olshansky and Houshmanzillie.

**tyler360** · 12-14-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It absolutely can be discounted.

NFL owners have been chasing Pioli for years. He turned them all down to stay in NE.

You're going to try to convince me that when he finally takes a job, and leaves NE, he decides on a place where the owner tells him to fix his team, but not spend money?

The owner told them to not fire Chan Gailey. I could easily see Clark saying well we have a high draft pick to sign and a qb to lock up and the stadium renovations to deal with also. We just dont have the money to sign big $ free agents

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-14-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

The owner told them to not fire Chan Gailey. I could easily see Clark saying well we have a high draft pick to sign and a qb to lock up and the stadium renovations to deal with also. We just dont have the money to sign big $ free agents

This is nonsense

**tyler360** · 12-14-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is nonsense

I guess i dont understand why it is so hard to believe that this happened? I am not saying it did happen but it has to be considered a possibility.

ChiefsCountry · 12-14-2009, 02:59 PM

Hunts are laissez-faire when it comes to running their football team thats why.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-14-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

I guess i dont understand why it is so hard to believe that this happened? I am not saying it did happen but it has to be considered a possibility.

You should consider the possibility that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360

I guess i dont understand why it is so hard to believe that this happened? I am not saying it did happen but it has to be considered a possibility.

No, it doesn't.

Unless you think Pioli is the mother of all dumbasses.

He passed on the GM job for one of the best run organizations in the NFL a few years back, and you're telling me he's going to take a job to rebuild a POS, and be OK with being told he can't spend the money to do so?

I've seen some stupid things claimed here today, but this might take the cake.

ChiefsCountry · 12-14-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He passed on the GM job for one of the best run organizations in the NFL a few years back, and you're telling me he's going to take a job to rebuild a POS, and be OK with being told he can't spend the money to do so?

Yep the Seattle job with Microsoft money behind it.

**tyler360** · 12-14-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You should consider the possibility that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Could you give an actual reason instead of just calling me dumb?

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2031115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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12-14-2009, 02:44 PM	#47
Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $-24579	I'm dissapointed we can't get a first quarter TD. More pathetic than any thing. It takes two quarters to get a field goal. Every ounce of energy they have to drive 70 yds just for a field goal. That's what we are watching on the field. What are we the leagues worst at 3rd down conversions. It's everything the coaches & the players that arn't getting the job done. We have regressed this year not progressed that is what was expected is progession get better as the season goes. I would like to see Cassel take this team down field and score a TD in the first quarter at least. He needs to find a way to do it then maybe they could build confidence for the rest of the game and play better as a team. I would much rather see Brodie play than Cassel allways have but not going to happen so Cassel needs to grow a pair and get the job done.
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