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Old 12-18-2011, 04:06 PM   #1
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@SD
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@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.
The Colts have one win.
Minnesota has 2 wins.
San Diego is under .500.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:08 PM   #2
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The Colts have one win.
Minnesota has 2 wins.
San Diego is under .500.
Yes. Just pointing out games that Cassel had against similar defenses.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:06 PM   #3
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@SD
Minnesota
@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.
You're insane if you claim Cassel's game against SD was better than Orton today. Insane.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:11 PM   #4
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You're insane if you claim Cassel's game against SD was better than Orton today. Insane.
Triple Dog This!

Once the receivers adjust to having someone competent of running an NFL offense, you'll see more TDs. You have to walk before you run, but today was on hell of a great start! I'll enjoy the win today, and we'll see how things play out next week.

But for now.....
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:08 PM   #5
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Orton didn't throw a TD.
I'll take 299 yards, no TD's and a win over 103 yards, 3 TD's and a loss...

eh, that probably doesn't make my point. The point being that the receivers jobs were made easier and YAC wasn't as much of a REQUIREMENT that it is when the pass leaves Cassel's hands...
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:10 PM   #6
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@SD
Minnesota
@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.
I was at the Minnesota game and watched every play.

You have no idea what you're talking about. None.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:13 PM   #7
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I was at the Minnesota game and watched every play.

You have no idea what you're talking about. None.
Once again, perception isn't reality. It happens a lot around here.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:20 PM   #8
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@SD
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@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.
His numbers in those games are comparable, but he was crap in the first half against both Indy, the worst team in the league, and against Minnesota.

He threw for more TDs, but most were the result of the receivers making great efforts on YAC.

One was piss poor throw that Bowe made a play on and ran through the defense.

Orton's throws were delivered accurately and on time.

Not once has Cassel been able to do that.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:25 PM   #9
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His numbers in those games are comparable, but he was crap in the first half against both Indy, the worst team in the league, and against Minnesota.

He threw for more TDs, but most were the result of the receivers making great efforts on YAC.

One was piss poor throw that Bowe made a play on and ran through the defense.

Orton's throws were delivered accurately and on time.

Not once has Cassel been able to do that.
The offense was actually quite a bit different. It allowed the QB to have more time and give the WR's more time to get open.

I am kind of sick of arguing.

Cassel isn't great, he just isn't as bad as the guys on here think.

And, forgive me for not wanting to change my opinion of Orton after one game against a bad defense.

I have seen Orton for five years. One year doesn't completely change history.
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Old 12-18-2011, 03:57 PM   #10
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After watching a competent QB like Orton, not only is Cassel not a legit starter, he isn't even a good backup QB.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:01 PM   #11
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:02 PM   #12
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and quite a few people here should be doling them out as well...

Leonard Pope? Big catches. Barry Richardson? Nice job.

Same cast of characters, same playcalling (McCluster up the middle, anyone?)...

Yet Orton has 300 yards passing in a game where we led the entire way.

Yeah, I wanted to see Stanzi play and I still do.

But thank you Kyle Orton for making it ABUNDANTLY clear how much of a waste Matt Cassel is...

Nice post!
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:03 PM   #13
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Orton was a HUGE upgrade. I never thought I would say that about him in his career.
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Orton was a HUGE upgrade. I never thought I would say that about him in his career.
There aren't a lot of places where he'd be such an enormous upgrade.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:05 PM   #15
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Same cast of characters, same playcalling (McCluster up the middle, anyone?)...

The screens, reverse to Breston, and sweeps were rarely seen under Haley. More importantly, the plays were in to the QB in time for him to get on the line and make adjustments, the plays that were called were not entirely predictable (throwing on 1st down, going for long ball on 2nd and short*, sweep on middle distance).

*long pass play possible w/ a QB who can throw for 20+ yards.
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