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Old 03-03-2014, 10:18 PM   #1
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If they can get him inked for under 3.5 million a year, it would be worth signing him.

The guy was an above average player last year. Most just hate him because of where he was drafted.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:46 PM   #2
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The only thing I don't like about NFL Radio is how they worship every player they interview... Speaking of Jackson, I'm surprised Brandt could breath with Jackson's chocolate dick half way down his wind pipe. Talking about how he's evolved his game so much and how he's become such an elite player... Please, he's the same he was day one.
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:38 AM   #3
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Please, he's the same he was day one.


That's just plain dumb.
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:39 AM   #4
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That's just plain dumb.
What? That he's a designated, one dimensional run stopper and nothing else? Seems like it hasn't changed
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:54 AM   #5
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What? That he's a designated, one dimensional run stopper and nothing else? Seems like it hasn't changed
That might have been his desired role day 1 but he wasn't good at it.

He's actually good at it now.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:18 AM   #6
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That might have been his desired role day 1 but he wasn't good at it.

He's actually good at it now.
Never said he wasn't good at it. Said he hasn't evolved, or changed, if you must. He's the same two down player he's always been
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Old 03-11-2014, 11:10 AM   #7
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That might have been his desired role day 1 but he wasn't good at it.



He's actually good at it now.

Maybe if we stick with him for another 3 years he'll be worth a shit rushing the passer!
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Old 03-04-2014, 01:08 AM   #8
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Bailey - 8 / 1
Dorsey - 31 / 0
Gilberry - 6 / 2.5
Gordon - 16 / 2
Gregg - 24 / 1
Hali - 48 / 12
TJ - 37 / 1


2012 KC DL stats ( tackles, sacks ):
Bailey - 3 / 0
Dorsey - 4 / 0
Hali - 43 / 9
TJ - 31 / 3
Jones - 2 / 0
Pitoitua - 32 / 2
Poe - 28 / 0
Powe - 5 / 0
Smith - 9 / 0
Toribio - 4 / 0


2013 KC DL stats ( tackles, sacks ):
Bailey - 25 / 1
Catapano - 2 / 1
DeVito - 18 / 0
Hali - 39 / 11
Howard - 7 / 0
TJ - 24 / 4
Poe - 43 / 4.5
Powe - 1 / 1
Toribio - 3 / 0



Seems like cutting TJ would be a classic case of cutting ones nose to spite their face.
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:33 AM   #9
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2011 KC DL stats ( tackles, sacks ):
Bailey - 8 / 1
Dorsey - 31 / 0
Gilberry - 6 / 2.5
Gordon - 16 / 2
Gregg - 24 / 1
Hali - 48 / 12
TJ - 37 / 1


2012 KC DL stats ( tackles, sacks ):
Bailey - 3 / 0
Dorsey - 4 / 0
Hali - 43 / 9
TJ - 31 / 3
Jones - 2 / 0
Pitoitua - 32 / 2
Poe - 28 / 0
Powe - 5 / 0
Smith - 9 / 0
Toribio - 4 / 0


2013 KC DL stats ( tackles, sacks ):
Bailey - 25 / 1
Catapano - 2 / 1
DeVito - 18 / 0
Hali - 39 / 11
Howard - 7 / 0
TJ - 24 / 4
Poe - 43 / 4.5
Powe - 1 / 1
Toribio - 3 / 0



Seems like cutting TJ would be a classic case of cutting ones nose to spite their face.
How so? Stats never tell the whole story. They're mostly used to skew a point of view. Do you happen to know when the tackles/sacks occurred? What games? Down distance? % relative to opportunities? How many downs he plays? etc.

I like the Chiefs face, sure wish they'd get a nose job...
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:11 AM   #10
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How so? Stats never tell the whole story. They're mostly used to skew a point of view. Do you happen to know when the tackles/sacks occurred? What games? Down distance? % relative to opportunities? How many downs he plays? etc.

I like the Chiefs face, sure wish they'd get a nose job...
Same can be said for every player. Example - Tamba got 7 of his 11 sacks this season vs Oakland, Houston, and Washington - teams with a combined 9 - 39 record.
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:34 AM   #11
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Same can be said for every player. Example - Tamba got 7 of his 11 sacks this season vs Oakland, Houston, and Washington - teams with a combined 9 - 39 record.

Not really at all. Sure if you want to pick a single game and a player to be the basis of your opinion, then maybe your logic prevails. However, compare the player you chose to Jackson across the board. See what you get. Also, compare how TJ fared against the same competition. Is he anywhere in the same ball park? Has he ever stood out? No. He's improved at what he does, but as someone said earlier his game has not evolved. He's still a 2 down player and not going to be worth the $$$ it's gonna cost to keep him. If he signs a cap friendly contract, then I'd be in favor of keeping him, but ONLY then.
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Not really at all. Sure if you want to pick a single game and a player to be the basis of your opinion, then maybe your logic prevails. However, compare the player you chose to Jackson across the board. See what you get. Also, compare how TJ fared against the same competition. Is he anywhere in the same ball park? Has he ever stood out? No. He's improved at what he does, but as someone said earlier his game has not evolved. He's still a 2 down player and not going to be worth the $$$ it's gonna cost to keep him. If he signs a cap friendly contract, then I'd be in favor of keeping him, but ONLY then.
1. He spent most of his career two-gapping... a player who 'stands out' getting sacks like that is doing it wrong and your defense is probably suffering elsewhere.

2. Since the defense has switched to be a bit more attacking with some 1 gap play, TJ has had 3 & 4 sacks respectively - half a sack behind Poe this season and the leader in sacks last season among the Dline.

3. The past two seasons, TJ's sacks came vs Carolina (1), Cleveland (1), Washington (1), Oakland (2), Cincy (1), and Jacksonville (1). Hali's from the past two seasons came vs SD (2), Baltimore (2), Tampa (1), Cincy (1), Cleveland (2), Indy (1), Philly (1), NYG (2), Tennessee (1), Oakland (2.5), Houston (2.5), Washington (2). 25% of Hali's sacks came vs teams with combined winning records over the past two season; 14% for TJ.

4. I completely agree that the game is a lot more than the numbers, but people are insisting the lack of stats mean less worth, which is foolish, especially considering he has stats for this style of defense. The guy did well as a 2-gap DE ( as did Dorsey - he did very well ) and has been the best Dlineman on the roster the past two seasons.
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Seems like cutting TJ would be a classic case of cutting ones nose to spite their face.
It would be. But people can't get past his draft position.
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