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oaklandhater · 10-23-2015, 10:54 AM

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joe Montana is 59 years old, not far from Social Security.

The notion of Joe taking another NFL snap is, of course, ludicrous, but when he talks about the pass-happy NFL of today and how The League caters to quarterbacks and receivers, Montana has joked that he wouldn’t mind getting back behind center.

He sees wide receivers running free, unafraid.

He sees a vast land of opportunity, where only narrow swaths existed in his day.

Reporters ask Joe to compare, then and now. He obliges them.

Asked about the passing parties the NFL stages every Sunday, in particular, the shallow crossing routes that the Patriots and Packers and Chargers are using to great effect, Joe Cool all but said these kids need to get off his yard.

“If we’d tried that, the receiver wouldn’t have played another game for a month,” Montana told the Boston Herald's Ron Borges.

Every generation has its own challenges. Back when Montana last played, in the mid-1990s, his challenge was his own team. The Kansas City Chiefs. They almost never get it right at quarterback.

Sure, Len Dawson was a Hall of Famer. He helped them win a Super Bowl in 1970. An exception. The Chiefs surrounded Dawson with other Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers. Many were defenders. Back then, the NFL was legal mayhem. Teams mugged each other. The quarterback was fair game. Last man standing wins.

The Chiefs have never made it back to the Super Bowl. There are many reasons for it. Near the top of the list is the quarterback problem. And as quarterbacks have become even more outsized in their impact on the games, the Chiefs have never really got it right.

This year, they’re in a familiar spot. Quarterback jail.

Good-guy Alex Smith, God bless him, is not getting it done though he is, or was, until of late, a cut above what the Chiefs typically have trotted out behind center. The San Diegan looks spooked. He’s taken more sacks than any other AFC quarterback. Defenses are again daring him to beat them downfield, and he’s not making them back off.

A new receiver who cost the Chiefs a lot of money, Jeremy Maclin, has helped. He has dropped only one pass in 40 chances. A young tight end, Travis Kelse, is a playmaker from the Gronk Lite mold.

But the offense was built around the running back, Jamaal Charles, and that usually doesn’t work so great in this era. When Charles was lost for the season two games ago, the Chiefs went on to blow a game, at home to the Bears. Charles was having his struggles. He fumbled twice against the Broncos, in another game the Chiefs tossed in the trash can at Arrowhead Stadium.

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The Chiefs are 1-5. Kansas Citians have another team to cheer, the Royals, who are on the verge of making it two World Series trips in two years. Missouri has gone from red state to blue state.

So, even with a talented defense, it looks like the Chiefs’ streak of playoff futility will stretch for another year.

The Chiefs last won a playoff game after the 1993 season.

Montana was their quarterback. He led them past the Pittsburgh Steelers and Houston, then known as the Oilers.

Then came the AFC Championhip Game in frigid Buffalo. Twelve degrees, wind chill. Montana looked older than his 37 years and the Bills pasted him and the Chiefs, 30-13.

The Chiefs haven’t gone back to the AFC title game. They’ve not won any playoff games. It can be done, but probably won’t until they get a snappier quarterback who can pile up all those yards and points that are there to be got every Sunday.

**Baby Lee** · 10-23-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Just stop it with this bullshit

you don't just let positions take care of themselves

we need to go out and get quality players at all positions

Leave l'il cubie alone!!

O.city · 10-23-2015, 02:27 PM

Why are the current wrs not quality players? Is it because they dont have catches and or statistics?

Or because they can't aren't getting open?

**BigMeatballDave** · 10-23-2015, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Dorsey has to nail the 2016 draft or else this team will be Oakland 2003-2014 bad.

As in they'll struggle to win 20 games over a five year span bad.

If you think the roster is that bad, then you must think Reid isn't doing such a bad job.

TEX · 10-23-2015, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

We have way too much talent to be this bad.

Dorsey can stay, everyone else goes.

btw - Dorsey better stop ****ing around with the Oline.

True to a point, and you did mention the sub par O-line. Add to that a sub-par QB ant that intensifies many of the deficiencies. Just as a good OL / QB can hide many. So this roster might have a lot of talent places, but not in two very important one's, that Dorsey happened to play a role in acquiring - no?

Mr. Laz · 10-23-2015, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Why are the current wrs not quality players? Is it because they dont have catches and or statistics?

Or because they can't aren't getting open?

If you don't know then you aren't watching.

Mr. Laz · 10-23-2015, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

True to a point, and you did mention the sub par O-line. Add to that a sub-par QB ant that intensifies many of the deficiencies. Just as a good OL / QB can hide many. So this roster might have a lot of talent places, but not in two very important one's, that Dorsey happened to play a role in acquiring - no?

I assume that the QB's are Andy Reid, at least the top 2 are his.

He wanted and got Alex Smith, not Dorsey.

Daniel goes to Reid or Dorsey? Both?

Bray and Murray might be Dorsey's

Not sure which one has the attitude that Oline is just something you mix and match each year like middle relief in MLB. If that is Dorsey then he needs to stop that shit. You might not need pro bowlers but you need quality and continuity and we haven't had either.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-23-2015, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I assume that the QB's are Andy Reid, at least the first 2 are his.

He wanted and got Alex Smith, not Dorsey.

Bray and Murray might be Dorsey's

Not sure which one has the attitude that Oline is just something you mix and match each year like middle relief in MLB. If that is Dorsey then he needs to stop that shit. You might not need pro bowlers but you need quality and continuity and we haven't had either.

Dorsey built the ol same way Schneider did in Seattle. It can work but you gotta hit on the picks.

I don't see a problem devaluing the ol for Alex Smith. If they want to build around a true QB, they will definitely need to beef up the ol.

Discuss Thrower · 10-23-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

If you think the roster is that bad, then you must think Reid isn't doing such a bad job.

The Chiefs 2013 draft class busted outside of Kelce and Knile (.. and even then..)

The 2014 draft is a bust outisde of Gaines unless Murray steps on to the field and shows something.

Jury is still out on 2015 obviously, but if Peters is the only guy worth a shit out of that group then there's a serious depth problem with the team.

Go look at how the 2013/2014 Seahawks were built. Spoiler alert: it was hitting on at least half the picks in three straight draft classes.

Unless you have a franchise QB, Seattle demonstrated the model of building a complete team through the draft. KC will not compete for a Lombardi from this year to 2017. But if the '15, '16 and '17 draft classes pan out, then we could have a team that should be a wild card contender in 2017 and a conference final team in '18-'20.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-23-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Why are the current wrs not quality players? Is it because they dont have catches and or statistics?

Or because they can't aren't getting open?

It's amazing how much better a receiver Wilson has become when Maclin is out of the picture. Alex Smith has a true 1 receiver and an exceptional tight end receiver. He's our if excuses.

O.city · 10-23-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

If you don't know then you aren't watching.

I was rhetorically asking because it's not the latter

Mr. Laz · 10-23-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Dorsey built the ol same way Schneider did in Seattle. It can work but you gotta hit on the picks.

I don't see a problem devaluing the ol for Alex Smith. If they want to build around a true QB, they will definitely need to beef up the ol.

That's exactly opposite of reality and hope to hell that's not Dorsey's belief.

A QB like Alex Smith must have an above average OL to be successful. A guy like Aaron Rodgers is good enough to elevate his OL. This shouldn't be about not giving a shit about Alex Smith's health, it's about being successful as a team. If Dorsey said '**** it' who cares if Alex Smith gets killed by a shitty OL then he is the wrong professional. That's how idiot fans think not a NFL GM.

Discuss Thrower · 10-23-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Nail as in like what?

You like to paint the 2013 and 14 drafts as the worst drafts ever, right?

Kelce is the only guy out of those classes who would start on any of the other 31 teams in the league.

2013 wasn't totally Dorsey's fault (though trading two 2nd round picks was a bad move), but 2014 he botched pretty soundly by whiffing on Dee Ford and taking a worthless gadget player in Thomas.

Mr. Laz · 10-23-2015, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I was rhetorically asking because it's not the latter

Which is why i didn't bother answering so you can talk bullshit

O.city · 10-23-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Kelce is the only guy out of those classes who would start on any of the other 31 teams in the league.

2013 wasn't totally Dorsey's fault (though trading two 2nd round picks was a bad move), but 2014 he botched pretty soundly by whiffing on Dee Ford and taking a worthless gadget player in Thomas.

We have no clue about ford yet because they won't put him on the field. Maybe that's enough evidence, but I'd imagine that one is undecided.

But kelce is the only one? Not likely. And because a 4th round pick is a gadget, it's a whiff?

I think you generally have a decent grip on things but the over exaggeration seems to be something you have a grasp on.

Fwiw, Gaines was playing pretty well as a 2nd year player at the Nickel spot as well.

So I th8nk you're overdoing it a bit here

O.city · 10-23-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Which is why it didn't bother answering so you can talk bullshit

So our wrs aren't getting open?

10-23-2015, 10:54 AM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5828993	Chiefs are NFL's most disappointing team http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...ontana-royals/ joe Montana is 59 years old, not far from Social Security. The notion of Joe taking another NFL snap is, of course, ludicrous, but when he talks about the pass-happy NFL of today and how The League caters to quarterbacks and receivers, Montana has joked that he wouldn’t mind getting back behind center. He sees wide receivers running free, unafraid. He sees a vast land of opportunity, where only narrow swaths existed in his day. Reporters ask Joe to compare, then and now. He obliges them. Asked about the passing parties the NFL stages every Sunday, in particular, the shallow crossing routes that the Patriots and Packers and Chargers are using to great effect, Joe Cool all but said these kids need to get off his yard. “If we’d tried that, the receiver wouldn’t have played another game for a month,” Montana told the Boston Herald's Ron Borges. Every generation has its own challenges. Back when Montana last played, in the mid-1990s, his challenge was his own team. The Kansas City Chiefs. They almost never get it right at quarterback. Sure, Len Dawson was a Hall of Famer. He helped them win a Super Bowl in 1970. An exception. The Chiefs surrounded Dawson with other Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers. Many were defenders. Back then, the NFL was legal mayhem. Teams mugged each other. The quarterback was fair game. Last man standing wins. The Chiefs have never made it back to the Super Bowl. There are many reasons for it. Near the top of the list is the quarterback problem. And as quarterbacks have become even more outsized in their impact on the games, the Chiefs have never really got it right. This year, they’re in a familiar spot. Quarterback jail. Good-guy Alex Smith, God bless him, is not getting it done though he is, or was, until of late, a cut above what the Chiefs typically have trotted out behind center. The San Diegan looks spooked. He’s taken more sacks than any other AFC quarterback. Defenses are again daring him to beat them downfield, and he’s not making them back off. A new receiver who cost the Chiefs a lot of money, Jeremy Maclin, has helped. He has dropped only one pass in 40 chances. A young tight end, Travis Kelse, is a playmaker from the Gronk Lite mold. But the offense was built around the running back, Jamaal Charles, and that usually doesn’t work so great in this era. When Charles was lost for the season two games ago, the Chiefs went on to blow a game, at home to the Bears. Charles was having his struggles. He fumbled twice against the Broncos, in another game the Chiefs tossed in the trash can at Arrowhead Stadium. Chargers Huddle daily newsletter Sign up for our daily San Diego Chargers newsletter to get the latest news and analysis on the team from The San Diego Union-Tribune and from around the country. The best Chargers reporting, delivered to your inbox every day by 7 a.m. Don't miss out. Enter Email Submit The Chiefs are 1-5. Kansas Citians have another team to cheer, the Royals, who are on the verge of making it two World Series trips in two years. Missouri has gone from red state to blue state. So, even with a talented defense, it looks like the Chiefs’ streak of playoff futility will stretch for another year. The Chiefs last won a playoff game after the 1993 season. Montana was their quarterback. He led them past the Pittsburgh Steelers and Houston, then known as the Oilers. Then came the AFC Championhip Game in frigid Buffalo. Twelve degrees, wind chill. Montana looked older than his 37 years and the Bills pasted him and the Chiefs, 30-13. The Chiefs haven’t gone back to the AFC title game. They’ve not won any playoff games. It can be done, but probably won’t until they get a snappier quarterback who can pile up all those yards and points that are there to be got every Sunday.
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