Chiefs Chiefs sticking with spread offense? - Page 5

**dirk digler** · 03-10-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

You also need to be able to run the ball with a lead to burn clock. This is a familiar discussion in a lot of ways; same concerns we had with Al Saunders' system.

When DV\AS were here we ran the ball alot and was successful at it. In Arizona they could hardly ever run successfully until they got to the playoffs. I guess that is the best time to get good at it.

keg in kc · 03-10-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

When DV\AS were here we ran the ball alot and was successful at it. In Arizona they could hardly ever run successfully until they got to the playoffs. I guess that is the best time to get good at it.

That offense was predicated around the run about as much as any aggressive system can be. But that's not what I'm referring to. Even when the offense was at its peak, they had a very hard time executing late in games. They couldn't line up and just pound 2 or 3 yards when they needed it.

BigChiefFan · 03-10-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

You also need to be able to run the ball with a lead to burn clock. This is a familiar discussion in a lot of ways; same concerns we had with Al Saunders' system.

The HB Draw worked on occassion in that system.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Footballoutsiders.com

All About the System

Between new GM Scott Pioli and new head coach Todd Haley, I'd say that Cassel is actually in the perfect environment to make a real go of it. In his time working with Bill Belichick in New England, Pioli got a front-row view of Cassel's strengths and weaknesses. And when he helped the Cardinals to the Super Bowl last year as Arizona's offensive coordinator, Haley ran an extremely productive attack with a lot of shotgun sets. This is where Cassel will thrive.

In 2008, Arizona quarterback Kurt Warner threw 598 regular-season passes. 412 of them were in a shotgun formation. That's 69.8 percent of his attempts, which would have been high for just about any other quarterback -- except for Cassel. Of Cassel's 516 attempts in 2008, 405 came from the shotgun -- an astonishing 78 percent. Both the Cardinals and Patriots are used to shotgun, three-wide sets with three receivers, and Kansas City's use of the Pistol formation, with quarterback Tyler Thigpen last season, gave tight end Tony Gonzalez unprecedented opportunities that he could very well see again.

There are times when players go from system to system and lose whatever it was that made them great. Matt Cassel is fortunate in that he's going to a system that perfectly fits what he's done before. He would have been a question mark in a power offense, but Kansas City will take to the air, and they have the right quarterback for the job.

Yeah, I wish it had mentioned more about his mobility and some other things... but it conveys the main part of my argument.

Chiefnj2 · 03-10-2009, 10:45 AM

If KC is going to use the shotgun for the majority of passes like AZ and NE did last year then they should give Leftwich a call and add him as the backup QB.

**SAUTO** · 03-10-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If KC is going to use the shotgun for the majority of passes like AZ and NE did last year then they should give Leftwich a call and add him as the backup QB.

WHY? IMO thigpen will fill that role nicely

kcbubb · 03-10-2009, 12:31 PM

the pats didn't get any cap relief from the vrabel trade???? was I misinformed???

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

the pats didn't get any cap relief from the vrabel trade???? was I misinformed???

No, Darth Carl was talking about the other guys we got...CJ Jones and the other guy giving the Pats roster room and cap space. It was in another thread.

The Pats got cap space in the trade for Vrabel and Cassel. They also didn't have to pay a million dollar roster bonus that was due to Vrabel. They saved nearly 20 million with both guys being traded.

StcChief · 03-10-2009, 12:37 PM

Cassell can plan Proset/Shotgun(spread).
Thiggy could learn proset ... sense he's #2 man....Just college QB that hasn't had to do it.

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

Cassell can plan Proset/Shotgun(spread).
Thiggy could learn proset ... sense he's #2 man....Just college QB that hasn't had to do it.

Thats why most spread QB's end up being busts.. it takes a lot more to run a Pro Style offense than you think. Yeah sure he might learn it eventually... but it takes years making Thigpen a major project. He has a pretty average arm and isn't accurate so its a waste.

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Thats why most spread QB's end up being busts.. it takes a lot more to run a Pro Style offense than you think. Yeah sure he might learn it eventually... but it takes years making Thigpen a major project. He has a pretty average arm and isn't accurate so its a waste.

Oh on top of that Cassel learned from Brady and Belichick whereas Thigpen learned from Huard, Herm, and Curl. Cassel is 6'4" Thigpen is 6'1" Cassels arm is a little stronger and is more accurate. I personally would have rather had Stafford still, but outside mobility Cassel is better than Thigpen in every way.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Oh on top of that Cassel learned from Brady and Belichick whereas Thigpen learned from Huard, Herm, and Curl. Cassel is 6'4" Thigpen is 6'1" Cassels arm is a little stronger and is more accurate. I personally would have rather had Stafford still, but outside mobility Cassel is better than Thigpen in every way.

I think you are WAY off on your assertion that Cassel has a stronger arm. I think Thigpen's arm is stronger.

And, Thigpen at 6'1" is only an inch shorter than Stafford.

We agree in that we would both like to have Stafford. That said, I like Cassel because I think he is a very good fit.

RustShack · 03-10-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I think you are WAY off on your assertion that Cassel has a stronger arm. I think Thigpen's arm is stronger.

And, Thigpen at 6'1" is only an inch shorter than Stafford.

We agree in that we would both like to have Stafford. That said, I like Cassel because I think he is a very good fit.

No way is Thigpens wobble launcher any stronger than Cassels.

keg in kc · 03-10-2009, 12:58 PM

Regardless of strength (although my vote would be Cassel there), Cassel is a good deal more accurate than Thigpen.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-10-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Regardless of strength (although my vote would be Cassel there), Cassel is a good deal more accurate than Thigpen.

Comes down to fundamentals. But, I agree with you.

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