2023 Cap Discussion

[Dante84]

If we were to absolutely max out all restructures, we would have almost $119M in cap space according to Over The Cap.

Effective Cap Space: $8,449,166

Simple Restructure: $67,070,657
Possible Cap Space: $75,519,823

Maximum Restructure: $110,459,052
Possible Cap Space: $118,908,218

According to @Jason_OTC, the #Chiefs could have $118,908,218 in cap space in 2023, with maximum restructures.

That would be the fourth-most cap space if every team maximized their restructures. #InVeachWeTrust pic.twitter.com/0ezsiCNhFc

— Jacob Milham (@JMilTheHam) November 3, 2022

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We traded Hill because he wanted $25 million avg on his contract but lets pay JuJu basically the same amount.

Tyreek’s contract is $30 million average

No problem paying Juju $20-24 million especially when the WR is cheap.

Tyreek Hill was just as much about the draft compensation as anything.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Tyreek’s contract is $30 million average

No problem paying Juju $20-24 million especially when the WR is cheap.

Tyreek Hill was just as much about the draft compensation as anything.

Juju is not worth that kind of scratch. No.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Tyreek’s contract is $30 million average

No problem paying Juju $20-24 million especially when the WR is cheap.

Tyreek Hill was just as much about the draft compensation as anything.

It's actually $23.75M average with a balloon year that he'll never play on.


So unless that Juju contract is a $12-14mil a year deal with a $60mil balloon year at the end to inflate the AAV, I have no idea why the hell you're talking about 24mil.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Tyreek’s contract is $30 million average

No problem paying Juju $20-24 million especially when the WR is cheap.

Tyreek Hill was just as much about the draft compensation as anything.

No, it's not.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins

Cap #'s for Hill:

This year: $6.5 mil.
2023: 31.2 mil.
2024: 24.8 mil.
2025: 28 mil.
2026: 51 mil. (big # he'll never see)

It's essentially a 4 year deal averaging 22.6 mil. per year in cap hits. You think the Chiefs are going to be willing to pay JuJu what they wouldn't pay Hill? Yeah, that's not happening.

But I do agree with you regarding the draft compensation being part of the reason they made that trade.

JuJu is replaceable. Don't break the bank for him. Find the next guy with talent looking to sign a one year 'prove it' deal and get paid afterwards. Rinse, repeat. This is the new Mahomes era.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Do you think they will even extend Creed? He's gonna get at least $15 mil/yr, because he will be the highest paid center. That's pretty steep for a center. We haven't extended a center since he's been here and have lost 2 really good ones in Hudson and Morse. We let Morse go cuz his head was maybe going to scramble, but I don't think there is anyway they give a ton for a C because we never have problems replacing them.

I also don't extend Smith and just try to get one in the draft. We have no problem finding interior guys and we need to have some guys in rookie deals.

I'm gonna have to really sit back and re-evaluate my cap math over the coming years.

Because shit's about to get weird. I read an article today talking about Devin White possibly getting $22 million/yr like it was just an afterthought - an off-ball backer.

The cap expansion is gonna start creating numbers that look awfully insane to us.

Instead I think we have to kinda think "okay, how many 'top of the market' guys can we have?"

So if you figure on Thuney being gone, that creates an 'opening' for Creed. Is that where you want to allocate it? Hard to say, but it's an open question. The thing with Creed is that he's damn smart and a true set and forget player.

Yeah, we've had success replacing our Cs, but remember that we TRIED to extend Hudson in-season andcouldn't get over the hump with him. We walked from Morse because of the concussions, IMO. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we aren't interested in bringing a guy back who could have a Jason Kelce kind of career here in KC.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

They'll pay OBJ. Andy likes the continuity on the OL, they'll do that. Hell, I might even go one step farther and pay Conklin to play RT for a 2/3 year deal. That's a ton invested up front, but whatever.

They're gonna have to find a DE somewhere, be it FA or the draft.

I think you probably get one or the other, likely not both.

I feel like they'd prefer push more of that money towards their own guys if they can. I think they'll try awfully hard to extend Sneed, for instance. I could see them approaching Gay with an offer as well.

And I'd like to keep some rollover in place for Bolton and Humphrey when they're extension eligible the following season.

We're better served trying to keep this foundation intact than go hard after 2nd contract guys (or 3rd, in some cases).

Maintain the core and supplement with 2nd wave FAs.

[Mecca]

Some of you guys are overvaluing the worth of some of the players...

Bolton is probably a 13 mill per year average player, he does not have the freakish athletic traits and cover ability all the ones that got paid do.

Willie Gay is probably 8 mill per year average because he has freaky athletic traits but lacks the production.

Creed Humphrey, I do believe he will get paid top 3 center money.

Trey Smith, I don't see him breaking the bank either he'll make solid guard money but he isn't gonna get Thuney money.

The issue is JuJu and Hardman are hitting FA in a terrible WR FA year so they're value is gonna be pushed up.

I do believe JuJu could come very close to getting 20 mill per year if he's willing to go play for like the Bears. And no he's not a 1, he's a really really good complimentary piece.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm gonna have to really sit back and re-evaluate my cap math over the coming years.

Because shit's about to get weird. I read an article today talking about Devin White possibly getting $22 million/yr like it was just an afterthought - an off-ball backer.

The cap expansion is gonna start creating numbers that look awfully insane to us.

Instead I think we have to kinda think "okay, how many 'top of the market' guys can we have?"

So if you figure on Thuney being gone, that creates an 'opening' for Creed. Is that where you want to allocate it? Hard to say, but it's an open question. The thing with Creed is that he's damn smart and a true set and forget player.

Yeah, we've had success replacing our Cs, but remember that we TRIED to extend Hudson in-season andcouldn't get over the hump with him. We walked from Morse because of the concussions, IMO. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we aren't interested in bringing a guy back who could have a Jason Kelce kind of career here in KC.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think you probably get one or the other, likely not both.

I feel like they'd prefer push more of that money towards their own guys if they can. I think they'll try awfully hard to extend Sneed, for instance. I could see them approaching Gay with an offer as well.

And I'd like to keep some rollover in place for Bolton and Humphrey when they're extension eligible the following season.

We're better served trying to keep this foundation intact than go hard after 2nd contract guys (or 3rd, in some cases).

Maintain the core and supplement with 2nd wave FAs.

I know you guys won't like it, but they're gonna have to branch out somewhat either via trade or trade up or get lucky in teh draft and find a LT or DE core type guy.

I think you have to pay Creed. Then just draft G's as you have to. Sneed probably has to stay IMO, but I'm just not sure their feelings on CB"s.

[Mecca]

The real issue I see with this team moving forward is if you tell yourself you aren't paying Orlando Brown top 5 LT money, that's gonna be a problem cause he won't move on his demand.

If you go into an offseason needing an LT and a DE that is pretty much impossible to pull off picking at the bottom of the round.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I know you guys won't like it, but they're gonna have to branch out somewhat either via trade or trade up or get lucky in teh draft and find a LT or DE core type guy.

I think you have to pay Creed. Then just draft G's as you have to. Sneed probably has to stay IMO, but I'm just not sure their feelings on CB"s.

You can let a lot of your rookie contract guys walk. Maybe even most of them.

But you can't let ALL of them go. You have to reward a handful of them, if for no other reason to dangle a carrot for your other rookie contract players. They have to believe they're playing for something and it isn't just to get a contract somewhere else.

You can't preach 'football family' and things of that nature if all you do is pump and dump guys.

Creed, because of his relationship with the city and the report he's seemingly developed with Mahomes, seems like an absolute no-brainer there. Sneed, because of how he's developed in this system and his importance to it, seems like another.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by -King-

It's actually $23.75M average with a balloon year that he'll never play on.


So unless that Juju contract is a $12-14mil a year deal with a $60mil balloon year at the end to inflate the AAV, I have no idea why the hell you're talking about 24mil.

Are you naive enough to think Tyreek’s contract is the only contract built that way? You realize the vast majority of contracts are right? Well unless you’re Brown Jr and object to it.

Here’s his APY per over the cap.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The real issue I see with this team moving forward is if you tell yourself you aren't paying Orlando Brown top 5 LT money, that's gonna be a problem cause he won't move on his demand.

If you go into an offseason needing an LT and a DE that is pretty much impossible to pull off picking at the bottom of the round.

Yeah, it's hard.

But Sam Williams and Abraham Lucas were right there for the taking. It can be done.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You can let a lot of your rookie contract guys walk. Maybe even most of them.

But you can't let ALL of them go. You have to reward a handful of them, if for no other reason to dangle a carrot for your other rookie contract players. They have to believe they're playing for something and it isn't just to get a contract somewhere else.

You can't preach 'football family' and things of that nature if all you do is pump and dump guys.

Creed, because of his relationship with the city and the report he's seemingly developed with Mahomes, seems like an absolute no-brainer there. Sneed, because of how he's developed in this system and his importance to it, seems like another.

The Sneed problem is corners get paid, if you throw 20+ per average on a CB we gotta cut cost somewhere else because that is a position the Chiefs have avoided paying.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Are you naive enough to think Tyreek’s contract is the only contract built that way? You realize the vast majority of contracts are right? Well unless you’re Brown Jr and object to it.

Here’s his APY per over the cap.

Once again, because overthecap is including the balloon year.

Let's simply this. Not including a balloon year, how much do you think Juju should get.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by -King-

Once again, because overthecap is including the balloon year.

Let's simply this. Not including a balloon year, how much do you think Juju should get.

For his worth or for what he's competing with?

His value is going to be elevated because there are very few good FA WR's after this year, he's arguably the best one.