2023 Cap Discussion

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

They'll pay OBJ. Andy likes the continuity on the OL, they'll do that. Hell, I might even go one step farther and pay Conklin to play RT for a 2/3 year deal. That's a ton invested up front, but whatever.

They're gonna have to find a DE somewhere, be it FA or the draft.

I think you probably get one or the other, likely not both.

I feel like they'd prefer push more of that money towards their own guys if they can. I think they'll try awfully hard to extend Sneed, for instance. I could see them approaching Gay with an offer as well.

And I'd like to keep some rollover in place for Bolton and Humphrey when they're extension eligible the following season.

We're better served trying to keep this foundation intact than go hard after 2nd contract guys (or 3rd, in some cases).

Maintain the core and supplement with 2nd wave FAs.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm gonna have to really sit back and re-evaluate my cap math over the coming years.

Because shit's about to get weird. I read an article today talking about Devin White possibly getting $22 million/yr like it was just an afterthought - an off-ball backer.

The cap expansion is gonna start creating numbers that look awfully insane to us.

Instead I think we have to kinda think "okay, how many 'top of the market' guys can we have?"

So if you figure on Thuney being gone, that creates an 'opening' for Creed. Is that where you want to allocate it? Hard to say, but it's an open question. The thing with Creed is that he's damn smart and a true set and forget player.

Yeah, we've had success replacing our Cs, but remember that we TRIED to extend Hudson in-season andcouldn't get over the hump with him. We walked from Morse because of the concussions, IMO. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we aren't interested in bringing a guy back who could have a Jason Kelce kind of career here in KC.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think you probably get one or the other, likely not both.

I feel like they'd prefer push more of that money towards their own guys if they can. I think they'll try awfully hard to extend Sneed, for instance. I could see them approaching Gay with an offer as well.

And I'd like to keep some rollover in place for Bolton and Humphrey when they're extension eligible the following season.

We're better served trying to keep this foundation intact than go hard after 2nd contract guys (or 3rd, in some cases).

Maintain the core and supplement with 2nd wave FAs.

I know you guys won't like it, but they're gonna have to branch out somewhat either via trade or trade up or get lucky in teh draft and find a LT or DE core type guy.

I think you have to pay Creed. Then just draft G's as you have to. Sneed probably has to stay IMO, but I'm just not sure their feelings on CB"s.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I know you guys won't like it, but they're gonna have to branch out somewhat either via trade or trade up or get lucky in teh draft and find a LT or DE core type guy.

I think you have to pay Creed. Then just draft G's as you have to. Sneed probably has to stay IMO, but I'm just not sure their feelings on CB"s.

You can let a lot of your rookie contract guys walk. Maybe even most of them.

But you can't let ALL of them go. You have to reward a handful of them, if for no other reason to dangle a carrot for your other rookie contract players. They have to believe they're playing for something and it isn't just to get a contract somewhere else.

You can't preach 'football family' and things of that nature if all you do is pump and dump guys.

Creed, because of his relationship with the city and the report he's seemingly developed with Mahomes, seems like an absolute no-brainer there. Sneed, because of how he's developed in this system and his importance to it, seems like another.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You can let a lot of your rookie contract guys walk. Maybe even most of them.

But you can't let ALL of them go. You have to reward a handful of them, if for no other reason to dangle a carrot for your other rookie contract players. They have to believe they're playing for something and it isn't just to get a contract somewhere else.

You can't preach 'football family' and things of that nature if all you do is pump and dump guys.

Creed, because of his relationship with the city and the report he's seemingly developed with Mahomes, seems like an absolute no-brainer there. Sneed, because of how he's developed in this system and his importance to it, seems like another.

The Sneed problem is corners get paid, if you throw 20+ per average on a CB we gotta cut cost somewhere else because that is a position the Chiefs have avoided paying.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Sneed problem is corners get paid, if you throw 20+ per average on a CB we gotta cut cost somewhere else because that is a position the Chiefs have avoided paying.

But with McDuffie, Watson and Williams making ass-wipe money, you can still pay Sneed and have a really cheap DB group.

And Sneed's just awfully difficult to replace. He's an integral part of our coverage schemes.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But with McDuffie, Watson and Williams making ass-wipe money, you can still pay Sneed and have a really cheap DB group.

And Sneed's just awfully difficult to replace. He's an integral part of our coverage schemes.

One really simple way to do it is to find DL that are on draft pick contracts, losing Clark will help a ton.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

One really simple way to do it is to find DL that are on draft pick contracts, losing Clark will help a ton.

-- Signed, the 2022 NFL Off-season.

Ugh...still irritated.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But with McDuffie, Watson and Williams making ass-wipe money, you can still pay Sneed and have a really cheap DB group.

And Sneed's just awfully difficult to replace. He's an integral part of our coverage schemes.

Exactly how I feel about Juju. Skyy and Toney are cheap for 3 years after this year.

Juju’s cap hit year 1 (2023) is low. In 2024 you can cut MVS and get $10 million back when Juju’s cap hits balloon.

But you can use a high pick to draft another WR as well.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Exactly how I feel about Juju. Skyy and Toney are cheap for 3 years after this year.

Juju’s cap hit year 1 (2023) is low. In 2024 you can cut MVS and get $10 million back when Juju’s cap hits balloon.

But you can use a high pick to draft another WR as well.

Yup, that's probably what you'd do.

I just feel like you could probably get JJSS on something like 4/80 w/ 3/$50 being the 'meat' of the deal.

Is that cheap? No, but as was previously mentioned, it's about 2/3 of what Hill costs. Is he 2/3 as valuable as Hill? In a vacuum I'd say he isn't; the marginal upgrade from 'pretty good' to 'HOF talent' is incredibly rare and incredibly valuable. But if he comes in here and performs at a high level, he's the devil you know at that point.

So take Hill out of the conversation and just say "Is it worth $16.5 million/yr to get 1,100 yards and 7 TDs?"

Eh...market says it probably is. Teams will pay more for less in the coming years. If JJSS continues to play at that level, I think you go ahead and give him that deal.