If fully healthy, this could be the greatest offense we've ever watched

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Ben Skowronek for the Rams. He was able to go up and get balls for Baker. But maybe that's because he's not that fast.

44% success rate on downfield passes. Worse than MVS.

Average depth of target - 8.0 yards; a full 7 yards per target shorter than MVS.

Guys, you're asking unreasonable things here and providing non-applicable examples. Yes, there are times a WR can jump up and catch a pass. But what you're talking about is a downfield receiver in full gallop stopping his momentum, going straight up, turning his body and bringing the ball in.

It doesn't happen NEARLY as frequently as y'all seem to think it does. And it certainly isn't guys running routes way downfield that tend to do it.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

pretty sure toney is better at it than anyone else on the roster right now

he's gotten two of those kinds of balls from mahomes in very limited reps

Ben Skowronek for the Rams. He was able to go up and get balls for Baker. But maybe that's because he's not that fast. Plus, he's just a WR5.

[O.city]

It's the same argument people make about basketball players at the NBA level needing to be "stronger" around the basket.

Well, when they guy bumping you is 6"8 and also a freak athlete, yeah, it's hard to do. There's a reason Lebron or MJ or whoever is such a great finisher around the rim. Not everyone can do it.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's the same argument people make about basketball players at the NBA level needing to be "stronger" around the basket.

Well, when they guy bumping you is 6"8 and also a freak athlete, yeah, it's hard to do. There's a reason Lebron or MJ or whoever is such a great finisher around the rim. Not everyone can do it.

Not everyone can do it.

But it's also not some super rare skill that you can't find except in HoF players.

I Like MVS and Hardman. I like their game. Their game is not physical though. And i think that plays a role in Mahomes' decision making.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's the same argument people make about basketball players at the NBA level needing to be "stronger" around the basket.

Well, when they guy bumping you is 6"8 and also a freak athlete, yeah, it's hard to do. There's a reason Lebron or MJ or whoever is such a great finisher around the rim. Not everyone can do it.

MJ is a fascinating example. Guys could run faster and jump higher than him. But man, the stuff he could do in the air was just absurd. And it wasn't because he was bigger than those defenders - he could just contort in ways that even elite athletes can't.

Those times he 'hung' in the air - shit man, he didn't defy gravity; physics still applied to him. But he could adjust his body so seamlessly that it looked like he was up there longer than anyone else.

That's what the truly great contested catch receivers (at least the downfield versions) could do.

[O.city]

Julio was 6'4 and had the hip flexibility of a 5'10 guy. Plus the athleticism of an all time player.

People want these big strong dudes that can run great routes too. Take DK for example. He isn't gonna be a great route runner. Physics won't allow it. He can't break in and out of cuts like Tyreek or like AB in his prime.

[ToxSocks]

If you go team by team you'll find a large number of guys who are better at what we're describing than MVS and Hardman. It's really not THAT rare.

Me, personally, don't give a damn about "great routes".

Give me elite body control, speed and size. Coaches will figure out how to make him turn left.

[493rd]

Yeah the offense will be great…just as long as our 2 wonder boy tackles are adequately blocking. Mahomes is best at improv, but we don’t need him running for his life the entire game.

[ToxSocks]

You can't sit here and tell me that what im asking for is too much, when we just passed on what im asking for in the 2nd round.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

You can't sit here and tell me that what im asking for is too much, when we just passed on what im asking for in the 2nd round.

The Chiefs obviously don't want one of those guys. So maybe you should move on?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Chiefs obviously don't want one of those guys. So maybe you should move on?

I think they probably do, actually.

They just couldn't get it this year.

I think this season they allocated scarce resources to particular niche skills in an attempt to re-build the position on the cheap.

Then they flat missed with the Moore pick.

But I think they'll keep shooting their shot and they WILL try to find a larger, more toolsy Z wide receiver.

Because they aren't using JJSS at ALL like Reid has ever used an X receiver. And I don't believe they drafted Moore expecting him to ever be like that. They just took what was in front of them.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think they probably do, actually.

They just couldn't get it this year.

I think this season they allocated scarce resources to particular niche skills in an attempt to re-build the position on the cheap.

Then they flat missed with the Moore pick.

But I think they'll keep shooting their shot and they WILL try to find a larger, more toolsy Z wide receiver.

Because they aren't using JJSS at ALL like Reid has ever used an X receiver. And I don't believe they drafted Moore expecting him to ever be like that. They just took what was in front of them.

They actively traded away the opportunity to take said guy though in Pickens (sorry Detox).

I dunno. I think they'd like to have said guy, but I dunno that they really wanna expand the resources to have that single guy, when they can cobble together a couple into that.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

They actively traded away the opportunity to take said guy though in Pickens (sorry Detox).

I dunno. I think they'd like to have said guy, but I dunno that they really wanna expand the resources to have that single guy, when they can cobble together a couple into that.

Yeah - but like I said in the Moore thread, I think they just missed.

They saw Pickens/Pierce/Moore as similarly talented prospects. Or they just didn't want to deal with Pickens potential attitude concerns.

I don't think that's a statement as to the type of player they were really looking for. I think they just got it wrong. But hell, maybe Moore steps into the Z role next year and makes me look like a dick.

But I don't think they're actively opposed to large, fast, talented WRs.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Chiefs obviously don't want one of those guys. So maybe you should move on?

Considering they keep drafting and signing lesser versions ever since Sammy Watkins, yeah i'd say your statement is complete bullshit.

Again.....a JuJu that can run. AKA Sammy Watkins.

[Megatron96]

I've never said that MVS quits on plays. But he doesn't try to make plays using his physical gifts, in particular his size and length nearly often enough. It has happened, which is great, but it's pretty inconsistent in his case, and that's frustrating when there are WRs out there with the same basic gifts doing more with them on a regular basis.

End of rant.