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Old 11-17-2023, 10:25 AM   #1
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Sign the elite players you have, let teh good players walk and draft more good players. Simple formula right?
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Old 11-17-2023, 10:40 AM   #2
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Sign the elite players you have, let teh good players walk and draft more good players. Simple formula right?
It's a 19 game season for us on average in the Mahomes era. It seems like a bad idea to pay Chris Jones a $30 million price tag at 30 when you already have Mahomes enormous contract and guys get hurt.

Look at what the Tyreek trade and benefits did for this team? Look at what extra draft picks and flexibility did for the Ravens in 2018, 2020 and 2022?

Free up money to bring in above average performers relative to pay like Tranquill, Omenihu and Edwards and then use your picks to go BPA and fill out the roster.
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:03 AM   #3
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It's a 19 game season for us on average in the Mahomes era. It seems like a bad idea to pay Chris Jones a $30 million price tag at 30 when you already have Mahomes enormous contract and guys get hurt.

Look at what the Tyreek trade and benefits did for this team? Look at what extra draft picks and flexibility did for the Ravens in 2018, 2020 and 2022?

Free up money to bring in above average performers relative to pay like Tranquill, Omenihu and Edwards and then use your picks to go BPA and fill out the roster.
Depth and above average performers get you thru the regular season, to the playoffs.

As we've seen, you need elite players in the playoffs. Will Chris be that going forward? Age probably says no, so you let him walk and move on.

The Tyreek trade was great and helped get McDuffie etc. It's also not as likely gonna work like that and you end up with good players, but not great players and you've downgraded a bit.

It's a whole hell of alot easier to find your Edwards and Tranquills every year. Those guys are always available to be had.

The elite ones aren't. Is Sneed that? I'd probably argue.....shit I don't really even know what I'd say there. He's pretty damn good but they've shown to be able to draft secondary players. I'd rather trust my process to draft and develop another guy and use the money to go pay a guy at a spot I may have whiffed on.
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McDuffie is that guy. He was vital in the Bengals AFCCG. I'd argue Bolton is viewed by the team as that too.

Karlaftis and Rice could be on their way. They both have potential
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McDuffie is that guy. He was vital in the Bengals AFCCG. I'd argue Bolton is viewed by the team as that too.

Karlaftis and Rice could be on their way. They both have potential
There was another guy on the defense that was vital in that game, that you don't care to keep around.

I'd guess the team views him as that as well.
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:32 AM   #6
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Sign the elite players you have, let teh good players walk and draft more good players. Simple formula right?
That's not what people want though.

Don't most CPers want Chris Jones gone?
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:34 AM   #7
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That's not what people want though.

Don't most CPers want Chris Jones gone?
No. They don't want to lose a ton of talent or the opportunity to improve at the cost of keeping one guy who wants to break the bank.
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:38 AM   #8
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No. They don't want to lose a ton of talent or the opportunity to improve at the cost of keeping one guy who wants to break the bank.


Chris Jones is one of the 3 Elite, HOF players on the roster.

The other HOF player was traded.

If you don't want to sign your best players to instead fill the roster out with guys that are good but not special, just say that's what you want to do.
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Old 11-17-2023, 11:50 AM   #9
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Chris Jones is one of the 3 Elite, HOF players on the roster.

The other HOF player was traded.

If you don't want to sign your best players to instead fill the roster out with guys that are good but not special, just say that's what you want to do.
If you want to fill out your roster with guys like Dan Sorensen because you're paying most of your cap for two or three guys just say so.
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Old 11-17-2023, 12:12 PM   #10
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Chris Jones is one of the 3 Elite, HOF players on the roster.

The other HOF player was traded.

If you don't want to sign your best players to instead fill the roster out with guys that are good but not special, just say that's what you want to do.
Chris turns 30 next year and averages 9 sacks a year outside of money years where he's trying to get paid. He's kn pace for 10 sacks this year and I'd argue last year was his peak and a steady decline is coming soon.

Is 10 sacks a year worth a $30 million anchor? Him and Mahomes alone are just under 30% of this years cap. That's with Mahomes still being cheap.

Keep in mind Mahomes cap hit jumps $20 million from $37 million to $57 million. Even if the cap moves up, Mahomes is still gonna account for 20% of the cap by himself. Now add Chris and his massive contract which would likely make it over 30% of the cap on 2 guys.

Not ideal to do that for a depreciating asset when you can trade that asset and use the assets gained to get a shiny new WR in the first rd and have money left over to keep building the team.
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Old 11-17-2023, 12:16 PM   #11
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In my amateur opinion, Jones makes the entire DL function just by being on the field. Does Sneed do the same for the DBs? I don't see it. I like Sneed as a player, but he's no unicorn.
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In my amateur opinion, Jones makes the entire DL function just by being on the field. Does Sneed do the same for the DBs? I don't see it. I like Sneed as a player, but he's no unicorn.
Love Jonesy. Can't pay him $30m per.
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Love Jonesy. Can't pay him $30m per.
If you can't pay your best defensive player 3 million more a year next year what was the point of assembling a balanced roster?

Should have kept the offense elite then since the defense won't be elite without their best pass-rusher next year.
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If you can't pay your best defensive player 3 million more a year next year what was the point of assembling a balanced roster?

Should have kept the offense elite then since the defense won't be elite without their best pass-rusher next year.
Agreed. No Jones AND a gaggle (jaggle?) of JAGs at WR? No thanks.
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Love Jonesy. Can't pay him $30m per.
We’ll get more in a tag and trade for Sneed.
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