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Old 01-06-2010, 07:08 PM  
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Getting The Band Back Together
Exact words from The Doug Gottlieb Show about Pioli's proclivity for hiring guys from "The Tree".

It's also a tried and true method in the NFL over the last couple of decades. Let's take a look at how getting the band back together worked out.

Walsh, Bill. Almost single-handedly built the 49er Dynasty. Was lured back to SF from 1999-2001 as GM. The team experienced moderate success over this time, going 12-4 in 2001, but not winning a playoff game during his tenure.

Vermeil, Dick. Tried to rebuild the '99 Rams with the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Had 2/5 winning seasons and a winning record overall, but never won a playoff game.

Holmgren, Mike. Assumed full control of the Seahawks after leaving GB. Even traded for his old backup QB in the process. Although the team achieved a SB berth, this was after Holmgren had been stripped of his GM duties in 2002, and Bob Ferguson took over.

Policy, Carmen. Former "Executive of the Year" from SF was lured to rebuild the Cleveland Browns. Installed former SF Buddy Dwight Clark as GM. Crashed and burned like the ****ing Hindenburg.

Johnson, Jimmy. The man who built the 90's Cowboys was charged with building the late 90's Dolphins into something Shula couldn't for the last 25 years--a SB champion. Johnson brought in his old assistants towards the end (Wannstedt) but could never match the success he had in Dallas. Ended his tenure with a 62 point ass raping from the Jags.
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:51 AM   #91
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Why isn't Clark Hunt a great owner?
Because he doesn't give a shit about the Chiefs.
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:52 AM   #92
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The Hunts have cared how much money the Chiefs made them for my entire life, that's just how it is.

There are many other owners that care far more about winning than Clark Hunt or Lamar did in my lifespan.
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:52 AM   #93
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Because he doesn't give a shit about the Chiefs.
I honestly don't know how anyone can witness the change in this franchise since last December and argue this with a straight face.
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I honestly don't know how anyone can witness the change in this franchise since last December and argue this with a straight face.
He cares about the profit the Chiefs turn for him and he knew he couldn't sell the base Carl anymore so he went and got the casual fan the biggest name guy on the market...think about it.

Hell most of the informed posters on here didn't want Pioli.
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Because he doesn't give a shit about the Chiefs.
And Obama is a muslim. I need details Hamas if he didn't give a shit wouldn't he have just hired Bill Kuharich?
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I honestly don't know how anyone can witness the change in this franchise since last December and argue this with a straight face.
Why, because he hired the most well known candidate?

That can be laziness as much as due diligence.

They treat this team as an investment rather than a competitive entity.
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If he cares so much why is he never at games?

I always wonder if some fans of the Chiefs are stunned when other owners are shown at their teams games.
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He cares about the profit the Chiefs turn for him and he knew he couldn't sell the base Carl anymore so he went and got the casual fan the biggest name guy on the market...think about it.

Hell most of the informed posters on here didn't want Pioli.
I wanted Pioli you sayin i'm not informed? If it were all about money wouldn't there be motivation to win seeing as the team would make more money?
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The Chiefs were selling out going 8-8...

This year the Chiefs were far under the cap...he got them about the only GM candidate that the casual fan would know by name.

That's an investment move.
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Well, my preferred D is a 4-3, but if you had to get a 3-4, the best 3-4 DL coach is John Mitchell, but he's been in Pittsburgh since Cowher was hired.
I can tell you from personal experience that John Mitchell is probably never leaving Pittsburgs coaching staff unless he retires before he dies. He has passed over many job opportunities because he loves coaching the DL in Pittsburg. He doesn't want anything more.

I have some friends from around that neck of the woods that ran many fund raisers that he was involved in and he was staying put. He has declined to interview for at least 3 different coordinator positions but chose to stay.
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And Obama is a muslim. I need details Hamas if he didn't give a shit wouldn't he have just hired Bill Kuharich?
Skipping games to go to MLS games is a good start. He also spends almost all his time in Dallas, and is on hand for probably fewer than 10 Chiefs-related functions a year.
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It still blows my mind why more teams don't steal Eagles defensive coaches, to me that is the best scheme going today.
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Why, because he hired the most well known candidate?
It's more than just Pioli. It's all the extra money they poured into the stadium, signing off on trading a known commodity like Tony Gonzalez (if all he cared about was money trading Gonzalez makes no sense), the point I already made about Cassel....Hunt is at the games all the time, even when it's cold as ****. For crissakes, he was unpacking boxes at some charity event earlier this year.

I think Clark Hunt gives a very large shit.
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I wanted Pioli you sayin i'm not informed? If it were all about money wouldn't there be motivation to win seeing as the team would make more money?
You only have to win 7-9 games a year to satisfy this fan base.
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You should look at my post about what teams have a repeatable strategy and what team doesn't.
NE has a repeatable strategy. Just because they got Brady in the 6th round doesn't make it any more or less repeatable. There are TONS of teams in this league using Pittsburgh's strategy when it comes to player scouting and drafting. But just because you try doesn't mean you can.

This is why I don't see the problem with Weis. I think Pittsburgh would go after Weis if they had the position to fill this year. Its not like they think they're so special they don't have to recognize talent from other places.
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