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Old 02-11-2011, 12:59 PM   #1
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But that's the primary role of a TED backer.
Only if you also believe that the primary role of the LT is to stonewall a pass-rushing end and pancake him.

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Lawrence Timmons and Bart Scott, just to name two.
Oh c'mon, I watched Scott get swallowed up several times against the Steelers, Mendenhall had his way with them in that game. And for a guy that's so adept at hurling blockers out of the way, he still only registered 81 tackles.

And Timmons plays in a completely different style of defense than Belcher. In fact, he plays a position far more in line with what DJ is asked to do. He is rarely ever asked to take on guards, so I have a hard time believing you can affirmatively state that he's significantly better at it than Belcher.

Oh, and he kinda has one of the best NTs in football parked in front of him.

To me this just screams of the grass being greener. Bart Scott is not a guard-mauling destroyer of worlds. He gets washed out by interior lineman the same as Lewis did and the same as Belcher did. Sometimes he'll beat them through speed or balance, but then again, sometimes Belcher does the same. The problem is that Belcher rarely gets any help from his interior line so it appears more common that he can't get off his man than it does for a guy like Scott or Timmons.
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:33 PM   #2
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It seemed a lot of time he was more interested in taking on the blocker than filling the gapping hole, and then couldn't get off the block and the RB would zoom right on by for a big chunk.
Perhaps that the way the defense was designed. Ordinarily your NT should've occupied that blocker (or maybe your 5-tech). If he doesn't, it's up to the next man in the scheme to occupy the blocker and allow a free player to make the tackle.

Let's not act like it's easy for a linebacker to just throw off a guard here. Like I said, even Lewis gets owned fairly often when he's asked to do that. If the blocker is coming through, it's probably a pretty smart idea for Belcher to take out the blocker and let the guys behind him clean up the mess. At that point, he's mitigating the damages.

The alternative is that he tries to go around him or ignore him altogether, in the process he gets routed out of the play and the blocker is still there to take out the 2nd level and bust the back for an even bigger run.

Again, in our defense, it all comes down to the fact that we don't have a NT. This has been a huge failure by Pioli.
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:39 PM   #3
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Let's not act like it's easy for a linebacker to just throw off a guard here.
But that's the primary role of a TED backer.
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:15 PM   #4
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This weight thing is silly.

Does anyone really think the guy holds up butting heads with guards for 16 games if he was 228?

Clearly he can handle the physical side of the position so I don't think his weight is an issue.

What is an issue is that he doesn't have great athleticism. See the play where the whiffed on Kerry Collins.

I think he is a good stopgap as many have said, but we could probably upgrade the position down the line with a mid-round pick.
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What is an issue is that he doesn't have great athleticism. See the play where the whiffed on Kerry Collins.
boy was that bad....
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:34 PM   #6
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Belcher is still a very young assending athletic player that fits the role of thumper in Crennel's defense and who is starting to receive attention around the league. Even if the position could be upgraded it does not seem to be a top 5 in priority. I would much rather see a focus in order of WR, NT, C, T, QB (backup).
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:11 PM   #7
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Bart Scott is one of the best inside linebackers in the league now.

Wow.

Bart has a big mouth and a bad temper, which gets him a lot of noise. But his actual play is above average. That's it.
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Old 02-11-2011, 02:41 PM   #8
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Bart Scott is one of the best inside linebackers in the league now.

Wow.

Bart has a big mouth and a bad temper, which gets him a lot of noise. But his actual play is above average. That's it.
i wanted him so bad when he was a FA
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Old 02-11-2011, 05:21 PM   #9
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I can totally see that.
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I can totally see that.
If Jovan Belcher is ever the leader of this defense and plays like Scott in either Baltimore or New York, I'll be thrilled.

And once again, I didn't put Scott on a pedestal, I just answered your question.

But let me know when Belcher signs a $48 million dollar deal. Maybe he and The Guardian will buy you drinks.
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What options are available to us in respect to the NT position, guys? FA, draft, trade, existing player we've hidden on the PS? Any specific names or opportunities come to mind?

Surely our linebacker play would improve if we could beef up the DL.

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What options are available to us in respect to the NT position, guys? FA, draft, trade, existing player we've hidden on the PS? Any specific names or opportunities come to mind?

Surely our linebacker play would improve if we could beef up the DL.

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Paul Saliai, FA NT of the Dolphins.

He'd be my priority target, along with Ryan Kalil in free agency, if there is free agency.
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Paul Saliai, FA NT of the Dolphins.

He'd be my priority target, along with Ryan Kalil in free agency, if there is free agency.
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i admit to having a soft spot for UDFA's.....

i don't think anyone could have predicted the type of production we got from him last season...yeah, he can improve, but there were times when he looked great...and he made some crushing ****ing hits which our defense has not been known for in the past..


unrelated to the argument about him, but based on his play last year, if you re-did the 09 draft, he'd be a 4th maybe a 3rd rounder, no?
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i admit to having a soft spot for UDFA's.....

i don't think anyone could have predicted the type of production we got from him last season...yeah, he can improve, but there were times when he looked great...and he made some crushing ****ing hits which our defense has not been known for in the past..


unrelated to the argument about him, but based on his play last year, if you re-did the 09 draft, he'd be a 4th maybe a 3rd rounder, no?
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