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Old 12-28-2014, 10:20 PM   #1
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Not getting into that muffed punt argument again.
That's just a dead end.

But let me know when Russel Wilson is as non productive on 3rd downs in big games as Alex Smith was in that one.
Let me know when Smith has an actual OL and nfl talent at WR.
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Old 12-28-2014, 10:26 PM   #2
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Not getting into that muffed punt argument again.
That's just a dead end.

But let me know when Russel Wilson is as non productive on 3rd downs in big games as Alex Smith was in that one.
I'd guess the first playoff game vs NO last year where he turned in a 9-18 103 yard 0TD dud.
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Old 12-28-2014, 10:46 PM   #3
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Those terms aren't things I can quantify so Ill concede that.

Numerically they're eerily similar and Alex was a muffed punt from going to the SB in San Fran and a joke defense from beating Indy last year.
Alex Smith was actually playing like a true game manager earlier in the year. The Chiefs were hovering around 50% in third down conversions, and he was pretty consistently converting even on third and long. The Raiders game was a big turnaround for Smith. From that time on, the Chiefs were something like 25-30% on 3rd down conversions which is comically bad. That's terrible game management.

Furthermore, in Russell Wilson's short career, he's pretty much matched Smith's total # of game winning drives (13 for Smith, 16 for Wilson). Smith, in particular, whiffed on 4 of his chances this year -- that's 4 out of 7 of the Chiefs' losses.
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Old 12-28-2014, 11:50 PM   #4
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Russell Wilson didn't have to beat anybody last year.
Russell Wilson still completed the occasional big pass play downfield when needed.

The Chiefs and their awful downfield passing game could not do that at all this season.

Also the Chiefs defense… especially in the secondary isn't anything close to what Seattle's was last year (and is this year).
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Old 12-28-2014, 10:26 PM   #5
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Chase Daniel is a less good version of Alex Smith, is anyone arguing otherwise?
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Old 12-28-2014, 10:28 PM   #6
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Chase Daniel is a less good version of Alex Smith, is anyone arguing otherwise?
Daniel is better and cheaper. I'd definitely take Derek Carr over either one, though.
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is someone trying to argue that Alex Smith is the same as Russell Wilson as well ? Because that is reeruned.
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Old 12-28-2014, 10:27 PM   #8
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There are two ways to look at it. One is that Alex Smith's QB rating is "only" a 93. The other is that his QB rating is somehow a 93 playing in front of one of the worst offensive line groups in the league.

I think we'd all agree that, statistics aside, last year Smith was quite a bit more effective when the offensive line was significantly better.

Daniel is definitely more willing to take risks with the ball and he is good at extending plays with his feet - that will work for a Sunday or two, but eventually you have to stand in the pocket and make multiple reads and execute throws when under pressure in the league if you are going to be a starter in the NFL.

I don't think Daniel's two starts show us that he can do that, obviously. It does show us that he is a quality, veteran backup and his job is probably secure with the team for the immediate future. I think he should be restructured to be more cap friendly, but he should be retained as our #2.
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Phillip was excellent today. He's a very clutch NFL QB.
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Phillip was excellent today. He's a very clutch NFL QB.
Fivehead's still the biggest choker in history.
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QB passing rating is a fairly worthless stat. A high completion percentage with no interceptions inflates the system.

The best QB rating currently is the Total QBR. Its way more accurate in how a QB is actually doing that passing rating.
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QB passing rating is a fairly worthless stat. A high completion percentage with no interceptions inflates the system.

The best QB rating currently is the Total QBR. Its way more accurate in how a QB is actually doing that passing rating.
Rating is a very accurate predictor of wins, so it's hardly worthless. QBR correlates to wins almost identically as Rating does.
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Rating is a very accurate predictor of wins, so it's hardly worthless. QBR correlates to wins almost identically as Rating does.
Passing rating does not correlate to wins. You are a ****ing moron on that one.
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Passing rating does not correlate to wins. You are a ****ing moron on that one.
Read the first post. I cited the study.
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QB passing rating is a fairly worthless stat. A high completion percentage with no interceptions inflates the system.

The best QB rating currently is the Total QBR. Its way more accurate in how a QB is actually doing that passing rating.
Alex is 23rd this year by that metric.

On a side note, Manning has six of the ten best seasons of all time by that metric. Crazy.
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