We saw the formula for this offense going forward against the Giants...

[petegz28]

As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else.

1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not.

2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk.

3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted.

The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do.

Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air.

Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit.

[petegz28]

NFL Network just broke it down...

run the ball more
eat clock
Reid has to be patient with the run
Mahomes needs to quit trying to erase the bad record with one play

[lcarus]

The Chiefs had no big plays tonight. Tyreek was open for a big one but Patrick underthrew it. Still should've had 30 on the scoreboard by just taking what the defense gave. If not for the interception on the first drive and the Kelce fumble. Those turnovers likely took 10 points away.

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No one is going to respect either of these RBs. They can't break a run over 10 yards.

That's fine. They can keep not respecting it while we feed it to Gore all the way down the field for another TD.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No one is going to respect either of these RBs. They can't break a run over 10 yards.

We have a SPECIAL run blocking OL.

Orlandis Gary could run for 1400 behind this OL.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That’s EXACTLY the way it works with banger backs with big nasty OLs… we have 2 guys that can pair with this OL to wear defenses out and set them up for kill shots.

It’s the obvious counter punch to the defenses that have been frustrating Mahomes this year.

It's not 1990. There is no set them up for the kill shot, because the Chiefs have PATRICK f'n MAHOMES. It's not like if we have Ryan Tannehill that teams can cheat against. Teams will not expose themselves to that. If the Chiefs want to run, there is no better outcome. Whatever the Chiefs gain on the ground? Fine. Still gonna stay in my two deep. If we switch to run emphasis, we self contain the best player in the league. We must use Mahomes and the passing game to pressure defenses.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by JakeF

We do people seem insulted when the Chiefs run the ball.

It has it's place. 20 carries a game is good enough.

Any more and you are doing two things:

1. Vastly reducing the effectiveness of those runs, because the players executing them aren't good enough. You can only hand the ball up the middle so many times before the defense sees it coming and pounces on it. That is the easiest play in football to stop.

2. Taking the ball away from your best players. The ones making the most money. If Andy drew up a gameplan where Derrick and Darrel got 3x as many touches as Kelce, Hill and Hardman, he should be fired. Period.

This is extremely logical but some of you refuse to use your brains.

This is the equivalent of the 2003 Chiefs taking the ball out of Priest's hands to feed Kennison and Morton.

The Chiefs WILL get this figured out. They just have to keep chopping at it.

Throwing their hands up and going back to the stone age on offense is admitting defeat. That doesn't do this team any good now or in the future.

If cdcox and I agree on a subject, it should be inked in blood and stamped in gold. It is football gospel. Because we disagree on almost everything else in life.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

NFL Network just broke it down...

run the ball more
eat clock
Reid has to be patient with the run
Mahomes needs to quit trying to erase the bad record with one play

Yep but I bolded the biggest impediment to this strategy. He has never committed to the run long term and everyone knows that.

[Wallcrawler]

We don't have the defense to play martyball offense.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

We have a SPECIAL run blocking OL.

Orlandis Gary could run for 1400 behind this OL.

It doesn't matter how good your OL is if the defense knows 30 plays a game are going right up the gut.

These backs don't have the explosion to run off tackle, let alone a pitch.

And the OL is not good enough to do that either. Our RT is still learning. Our LT isn't the most mobile player in the world.

Defenses know 98% of our running plays are butt-center specials. Easiest play in football to stop.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

We don't have the defense to play martyball offense.

And that is the cherry on top.

There is far too much risk involved here on both sides of the ball.

Most plays if the pass isn't there Patrick has the check down or scramble option anyway.

Way better than a yard up Creed's sphincter.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

We don't have the defense to play martyball offense.

No, we don't. Which is why a ball control offense is more important. We don't have a defense at all. The longer our offense is on the field the better.

[BossChief]

Where is this nonsense coming from that we would be running every play up the a gaps because of limitations of these backs?

These guys have similar speed as Priest did.

He didn’t break big runs, either.

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It doesn't matter how good your OL is if the defense knows 30 plays a game are going right up the gut.

These backs don't have the explosion to run off tackle, let alone a pitch.

And the OL is not good enough to do that either. Our RT is still learning. Our LT isn't the most mobile player in the world.

Defenses know 98% of our running plays are butt-center specials. Easiest play in football to stop.

if you get a 1st down, it doesn't really matter how you got it.

Gore can absolutely break runs for longer than 10 yards. Didn't he have a 10+ yard negated by a penalty against the Giants?

The only real problem is that i doubt we can trust Andy to manage a game involving a running game. When we were dominating the game on offense is was easy for Andy to "play" at running the ball. Will he stick with the run in a close game? Will he keep running the ball even when we get stuffed everyone so often?

I don't trust Andy at all, so maybe someone else can judge better.

[rabblerouser]

Should be running the ball with 12 personnel more like we did tonight, and play action off of that...

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

We don't have the defense to play martyball offense.

We don’t have the defense to keep turning it over every 4 possessions.

That’s what’s killed us.

FFS we would be 6-2 if it weren’t for preventable turnovers.