We saw the formula for this offense going forward against the Giants...

[petegz28]

As much as some don't want to admit or accept it, the fact is that the high-flying offense we have seen the last few years is gone for the moment. But we can change that if we force teams to defend something else.

1. Run the ball more. DW and Gore should be active in running and catching out of the backfield. Gore has patients and vision that CEH does not.

2. Take the shorter passes first and check down to the deeper pass. Quit waiting to see if someone deep will open up. Dink-dunk.

3. Patience. We ran the ball one drive for almost the entire drive and scored a TD. Next drive we never ran the ball once and punted.

The simple fact is teams are daring us to run the ball and play the short game betting that we either won't stick with it or will **** ourselves. If we quit turning over the ball the rest we can do.

Once we win a few games running the ball and playing ball control then teams will have no choice to start bringing more players down into the box and then we can go back to tearing shit up in the air.

Until then, 6 or 7 in the box should be run or dink-dunk with some PA pass. The RPO stuff might have to take a bit of a backseat for a bit.

[KC_Connection]

Turning the Chiefs into a run-based offensive football team is not the answer here. We aren’t going to be able to keep up with other teams in this league doing that. Not every opponent is like the Giants.

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Nobody is saying to permanently go in that direction…but this team….with OTs that struggle to block the edges…hell yes.

We have 700 pounds of tackles and the best interior OL in the NFL.

Let them eat.

[cdcox]

Other than not finding the holes in the zone, we are not managing down and distance well this year. Too many 3rd and 6+. The play calling needs to most often gain 10 yards in two downs. Hitting the middle distance passes. Defenses are shutting down deep passes AND closing fast on sort stuff. Middle has to be open.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Nobody is saying to permanently go in that direction…but this team….with OTs that struggle to block the edges…hell yes.

We have 700 pounds of tackles and the best interior OL in the NFL.

Let them eat.

They ate tonight. 21 carries for 4 YPC.

That's the best you're getting out of these backs, dude.

You think giving them the ball MORE is going to result in a better YPC?

Typically that is not the way it works.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Every run is a win for the opposing defense, that’s why they are playing the coverages they are. Reid and Mahomes just need to do better.

And if the runs are working the way they were with Gore, then why shouldn't we punish them for not dropping a man?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No more running. More short passes, yes.

Darrel and Gore are one trick ponies. You cannot give them the ball 30 times.

That’s horseshit.

Did you even watch the game and see the energy the offense got when Gore was in and scored that TD?

You give defense a couple of drives like that and they will be forced to change their alignments and personal to ones we can take advantage of.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Turning the Chiefs into a run-based offensive football team is not the answer here. We aren’t going to be able to keep up with other teams in this league doing that. Not every opponent is like the Giants.

The Chiefs passed almost every down on that impressive first drive.

Quick, short passes… almost a quick tempo rhythm as well.

Yes the drive ended with an INT, but the Chiefs effectively marched down the field and Mahomes completed like 7/7 passes.

MOAR of that strategy.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by BossChief

EXACTLY.

Andy needs to adjust the scheme to help him in exactly those areas.

The pocket isn't a good place to be. OB isn't a bookend LT.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That’s horseshit.

Did you even watch the game and see the energy the offense got when Gore was in and scored that TD?

You give defense a couple of drives like that and they will be forced to change their alignments and personal to ones we can take advantage of.

The Chiefs aren't capable of doing that kind of thing consistently.

The backs aren't that good.

You'll notice that drive worked well AFTER the Chiefs came out mostly throwing.

That's why that drive worked.

You can't run a modern offense just grinding slow RBs up the center's ass. You just can't. You're stuck in 1995.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

They ate tonight. 21 carries for 4 YPC.

That's the best you're getting out of these backs, dude.

You think giving them the ball MORE is going to result in a better YPC?

Typically that is not the way it works.

That’s EXACTLY the way it works with banger backs with big nasty OLs… we have 2 guys that can pair with this OL to wear defenses out and set them up for kill shots.

It’s the obvious counter punch to the defenses that have been frustrating Mahomes this year.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That’s horseshit.

Did you even watch the game and see the energy the offense got when Gore was in and scored that TD?

You give defense a couple of drives like that and they will be forced to change their alignments and personal to ones we can take advantage of.

I'm never ever going to do that as a DC against PM.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The Chiefs passed almost every down on that impressive first drive.

Quick, short passes… almost a quick tempo rhythm as well.

Yes the drive ended with an INT, but the Chiefs effectively marched down the field and Mahomes completed like 7/7 passes.

MOAR of that strategy.

Reid has been doing this all year...it's really a head scratcher....not the short passes but finding something thats working then going away from it.

They had something working with Gore...then they ghosted him.

They should have done exactly what they did on the next drive....nope. Make them adapt to stop it...

[JakeF]

We do people seem insulted when the Chiefs run the ball.

JFC

Our Oline is built to run the ball, didn't anyone see that by the big, maulers to drafted?

You don't assemble a power run blocking offense line and then never run the damn ball.

Use the run to setup the pass, that has always been a good recipe for success

We don't have to run it on every play, just make a defense honor the run so we can throw the ball easier. It's not difficult.

This is still just PTSD flashbacks to Martyball. lol

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The Chiefs aren't capable of doing that kind of thing consistently.

The backs aren't that good.

You'll notice that drive worked well AFTER the Chiefs came out mostly throwing.

That's why that drive worked.

You can't run a modern offense just grinding slow RBs up the center's ass. You just can't. You're stuck in 1995.

That’s a whole lot of hot garbage.

These backs are plenty good enough to be highly effective behind this OL.

Running long developing pass play after long developing pass play with these WRs and these guy blocking the edges is a recipe for disaster and that’s showing out on the field as we turn the ball over like 24% of the time.

We simply aren’t built for that type of offense. Not as a base offense, anyway. This offense is built to ride its OLs strength.

Like I said.

Best IOL in the NFL and 700 pounds of OTs. Let them lean on the DL and wear them down more. Then run those long developing pass plays once Niang and Briwn have leaned in on their guys all day.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That’s EXACTLY the way it works with banger backs with big nasty OLs… we have 2 guys that can pair with this OL to wear defenses out and set them up for kill shots.

It’s the obvious counter punch to the defenses that have been frustrating Mahomes this year.

No one is going to respect either of these RBs. They can't break a run over 10 yards.