Why does everyone keep saying we don't need a Tackle at #3?

[jAZ]

We only have 1 sure-fire long-term answer at tackle on our roster. Ultimately we absolutely need 2 of them.

If we don't think that the QB that falls to us at #3 is worth the #3 pick and the tackle is there... why would anyone suggest that we pass him over? If he's also not worth the #3, that's one thing, but I see people saying we should pass on a tackle because we already have one.

Umm... I want to all-world tackles, please.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The annals of football history are littered with elite teams led by a cover backer.

He's alot more than that. You just like to try and devalue the guy to support your argument. The truth is he does it all and is a great LB prospect. The only place I see negative stuff about Curry is on Chiefs Planet. Most draft gurus say he's a legit top five pick and from what I've seen of the guy he is.


PhilFree

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by orange

First, I'm not that high on Curry personally, but he IS the one guy everyone says is a can't miss prospect in this draft, so like I said above a couple pages, it wouldn't surprise me to see the Chiefs draft him.

Second, I don't think Dansby gets past the Broncos.

[edit] to save you having to dig back, I think the Chiefs will (and should*) take a DL.

*unless Stafford is there, but I don't see any way that happens.

THERE.IS.NO.SUCH.THING.AS.A.CAN'T.MISS.PROSPECT.IN.ANY.****ING.DRAFT.

funny slightly related/pointless anecdote? I remember when I was younger and I collected football cards hardcore. in the 1997 press pass football set there was in insert (with varying odds of pulling the cards)... it had six cards in the collection. they were cards of yatil green, warrick dunn, orlando pace, jim druckenmiller, peter bouleware and rae carruth. the 'can't miss' prospects of the 1997 draft. of all of those guys, you have a convicted murderer, an abject injury bust, a solid RB (but not all-world 'can't miss!'), a solid OLB/de (bouleware was never the feared sack-master you want in the top five), a qb who sucked (druckenmiller never lived up to the hype), and ONE guy who lived up to the billing (if you ignore his injury issues for the last several years)... orlando pace.

so the lesson? can't miss doesn't exist. there is no such thing as a safe pick. I don't want safe. I want the pick that will net us a lombardi or two my lifetime.

BTW: you can't truly be a broncos AND chiefs' fan. wtf is this 'second team' bullshit? pick one team and go with it.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by philfree

He's alot more than that. You just like to try and devalue the guy to support your argument. The truth is he does it all and is a great LB prospect. The only place I see negative stuff about Curry is on Chiefs Planet. Most draft gurus say he's a legit top five pick and from what I've seen of the guy he is.


PhilFree

derrick johnson was a legitimate top five pick in draft evaluations too. oh wait, then real GMs stepped up and he fell outside of the top ten.

oops.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by H5N1

derrick johnson was a legitimate top five pick in draft evaluations too. oh wait, then real GMs stepped up and he fell outside of the top ten.

oops.

Maybe a top 10. OH wait......are you saying Hamas is a real GM?



PhilFree

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Saccogoo

I know it's Valentines, and you are sitting at home, alone, but there is no reason for you to get all pissy about stupid shit you have already penned.

GFY.

Maybe it'll make you smarter.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by philfree

Maybe a top 10. OH wait......are you saying Hamas is a real GM?



PhilFree

nice deflection.

nope. he was considered one of the elite prospects of that draft. it's funny, really, that chiefs fans have that bad of a memory. would you pick derrick johnson third overall? because EVERYTHING that has been said about curry was said of johnson before the 2005 draft. as prospects, they're very similar. how has that worked out for us?

[philfree]

Originally Posted by H5N1

nice deflection.

nope. he was considered one of the elite prospects of that draft. it's funny, really, that chiefs fans have that bad of a memory. would you pick derrick johnson third overall? because EVERYTHING that has been said about curry was said of johnson before the 2005 draft. as prospects, they're very similar. how has that worked out for us?

After watching both they're not really that much alike. The thing about where a guy gets picked has alot to do with the other players in the draft. This draft is not top heavy and there's a good chance that whoever is picked with the third pick won't be worth that pick. Now I'm not preaching draft Curry above all else I was pointing out that Curry is alot more then "a cover backer."


PhilFree

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by H5N1

derrick johnson was a legitimate top five pick in draft evaluations too. oh wait, then real GMs stepped up and he fell outside of the top ten.

oops.

Top 3 in most mocks at this time in his draft year.

Guess we know all too well why he fell to #15, and we would have been wise to let him keep falling, unfortunately.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by philfree

After watching both they're not really that much alike. The thing about where a guy gets picked has alot to do with the other players in the draft. This draft is not top heavy and there's a good chance that whoever is picked with the third pick won't be worth that pick. Now I'm not preaching draft Curry above all else I was pointing out that Curry is alot more then "a cover backer."


PhilFree

god. looking back at the 2005 draft, some real juggernauts went above dj.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft

alex smith, cedric benson, pacman, troy williamson, mike williamson, I could go on and on.

and it's funny... who did DJ go after (LB wise)? ware and merriman (both rushbackers) AND thomas davis (meaning dj wasn't even the first cover backer taken).

so yeah--I don't give a shit HOW good a prospect the OLB (cover-backer) is... I'm not taking him top three.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by philfree

After watching both they're not really that much alike. The thing about where a guy gets picked has alot to do with the other players in the draft. This draft is not top heavy and there's a good chance that whoever is picked with the third pick won't be worth that pick. Now I'm not preaching draft Curry above all else I was pointing out that Curry is alot more then "a cover backer."


PhilFree

9 1/2 sacks in his college career says, regardless of any other attribute, he is not a top 5 LB.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by milkman

9 1/2 sacks in his college career says, regardless of any other attribute, he is not a top 5 LB.

In most drafts I'd agree but 2009 I'm not 100% on that. He did have 45.5 tkfl though. I think he could have had more sacks but they didn't ask him to do that very much..What Curry does so well is shed blocks allowing him to get in space and make tackles/plays.


PhilFree

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by philfree

In most drafts I'd agree but 2009 I'm not 100% on that. He did have 45.5 tkfl though. I think he could have had more sacks but they didn't ask him to do that very much..What Curry does so well is shed blocks allowing him to get in space and make tackles/plays.


PhilFree

let's see... DJ had 10.5 sacks in his college career (one more than aaron curry), 69 TFL (compared to 45.5 for curry).

man. I REALLY want to take him in the top three now, seeing as he can't live up to the disappointing results of DJ, who was better than he was in college:

[philfree]

Originally Posted by H5N1

let's see... DJ had 10.5 sacks in his college career (one more than aaron curry), 69 TFL (compared to 45.5 for curry).

man. I REALLY want to take him in the top three now, seeing as he can't live up to the disappointing results of DJ, who was better than he was in college:

I want a QB but if it don't work out then the Chiefs are gonna have to pick somebody. As far as better in college I think Curry is a better player and a better pro prospect then DJ. That's my opinion though.


PhilFree

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by philfree

I want a QB but if it don't work out then the Chiefs are gonna have to pick somebody. As far as better in college I think Curry is a better player and a better pro prospect then DJ. That's my opinion though.


PhilFree

Better than DJ?

He sure as hell better be a "better prospect" than DJ.

DJ is average at best. He was certainly not worth the #15 overall pick in the draft. Personally, I don't think he'll ever improve. If he was a fourth rounder, I'd be okay with him.

As it stands, total failure on the part of the "personnel team" in 2005.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by philfree

I want a QB but if it don't work out then the Chiefs are gonna have to pick somebody. As far as better in college I think Curry is a better player and a better pro prospect then DJ. That's my opinion though.


PhilFree

you serious? do you even remember how much of a destructive force DJ was when he was at texas? he was a one-man wrecking machine. I'm not fully convinced that curry measures up to what DJ was at texas.

and dane, I hope you're wrong, but part of me worries that you're right. so many of our top round guys have gone bust. it can't all be our horrible draft record--the guys HAVE talent. part of me hopes that a new coaching staff can bring out the beast that was DJ at texas. but, he's been such a disappointment that it's anybody's guess.