Why does everyone keep saying we don't need a Tackle at #3?

philfree · 02-15-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

derrick johnson was a legitimate top five pick in draft evaluations too. oh wait, then real GMs stepped up and he fell outside of the top ten.

oops.

Maybe a top 10. OH wait......are you saying Hamas is a real GM?

PhilFree

Ebolapox · 02-15-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Maybe a top 10. OH wait......are you saying Hamas is a real GM?

PhilFree

nice deflection.

nope. he was considered one of the elite prospects of that draft. it's funny, really, that chiefs fans have that bad of a memory. would you pick derrick johnson third overall? because EVERYTHING that has been said about curry was said of johnson before the 2005 draft. as prospects, they're very similar. how has that worked out for us?

philfree · 02-15-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

nice deflection.

nope. he was considered one of the elite prospects of that draft. it's funny, really, that chiefs fans have that bad of a memory. would you pick derrick johnson third overall? because EVERYTHING that has been said about curry was said of johnson before the 2005 draft. as prospects, they're very similar. how has that worked out for us?

After watching both they're not really that much alike. The thing about where a guy gets picked has alot to do with the other players in the draft. This draft is not top heavy and there's a good chance that whoever is picked with the third pick won't be worth that pick. Now I'm not preaching draft Curry above all else I was pointing out that Curry is alot more then "a cover backer."

PhilFree

Ebolapox · 02-15-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

After watching both they're not really that much alike. The thing about where a guy gets picked has alot to do with the other players in the draft. This draft is not top heavy and there's a good chance that whoever is picked with the third pick won't be worth that pick. Now I'm not preaching draft Curry above all else I was pointing out that Curry is alot more then "a cover backer."

PhilFree

god. looking back at the 2005 draft, some real juggernauts went above dj.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NFL_Draft

alex smith, cedric benson, pacman, troy williamson, mike williamson, I could go on and on.

and it's funny... who did DJ go after (LB wise)? ware and merriman (both rushbackers) AND thomas davis (meaning dj wasn't even the first cover backer taken).

so yeah--I don't give a shit HOW good a prospect the OLB (cover-backer) is... I'm not taking him top three.

orange · 02-15-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

derrick johnson was a legitimate top five pick in draft evaluations too. oh wait, then real GMs stepped up and he fell outside of the top ten.

oops.

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Originally Posted by H5N1

nice deflection.

nope. he was considered one of the elite prospects of that draft. it's funny, really, that chiefs fans have that bad of a memory. would you pick derrick johnson third overall? because EVERYTHING that has been said about curry was said of johnson before the 2005 draft. as prospects, they're very similar. how has that worked out for us?

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Originally Posted by H5N1

and it's funny... who did DJ go after (LB wise)? ware and merriman (both rushbackers) AND thomas davis (meaning dj wasn't even the first cover backer taken).

so yeah--I don't give a shit HOW good a prospect the OLB (cover-backer) is... I'm not taking him top three.

Derrick Johnson obviously fell like a rock due to the evaluations made AFTER college - he fell so far that Thomas Davis A SAFETY was drafted before him as a project. What was funny is how Chiefs fans ignored this obvious fact and drank the koolaid without a second thought.

As for EVERYTHING that was said about Johnson being said about Curry, I don't think that's true. I never once heard DJ described as a smart player.

Besides, projecting DJ onto Curry is every bit as dumb as projecting Blackledge onto the QB of your choice.

orange · 02-15-2009, 01:16 PM

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... What was funny is how Chiefs fans ignored this obvious fact and drank the koolaid without a second thought.

A very similar thing happened with John Tait, who Chiefs fans thought was the second coming even though no one else nationally had such high regard for him.

Tait is a good cautionary tale. Like DJ, Tait was even considered a successful rookie at LT here - just like Branden Albert now. Why you guys are willing to declare Albert a success eludes me. The fact is it was impossible to grade him correctly for two reasons - the right side of the Chiefs line collapsed so fast you couldn't tell if Albert was holding up long enough; and the team spent most of the year in a gimmick offense that no one believes they're going to run again. I'd say the jury is still out on Albert at LT, and it wouldn't be a nonsensical pick if Pioli took a real LT.

Back to DJ and Tait, some guys just get hyped beyond all proportion on fan boards for some reason. I believe that's the case with Mark Sanchez here this year.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-15-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

A very similar thing happened with John Tait, who Chiefs fans thought was the second coming even though no one else nationally had such high regard for him.

Tait is a good cautionary tale. Like DJ, Tait was even considered a successful rookie at LT here - just like Branden Albert now. Why you guys are willing to declare Albert a success eludes me. The fact is it was impossible to grade him correctly for two reasons - the right side of the Chiefs line collapsed so fast you couldn't tell if Albert was holding up long enough; and the team spent most of the year in a gimmick offense that no one believes they're going to run again. I'd say the jury is still out on Albert at LT, and it wouldn't be a nonsensical pick if Pioli took a real LT.

Back to DJ and Tait, some guys just get hyped beyond all proportion on fan boards for some reason. I believe that's the case with Mark Sanchez here this year.

Wait...Can you hear that sound?

It's the sound of me not giving a flying **** about what some Donko fan thinks of Chiefs fans.

Orange one who sucks the penis.

CupidStunt · 02-15-2009, 04:40 PM

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Tait is a good cautionary tale. Like DJ, Tait was even considered a successful rookie at LT here - just like Branden Albert now. Why you guys are willing to declare Albert a success eludes me. The fact is it was impossible to grade him correctly for two reasons - the right side of the Chiefs line collapsed so fast you couldn't tell if Albert was holding up long enough; and the team spent most of the year in a gimmick offense that no one believes they're going to run again. I'd say the jury is still out on Albert at LT, and it wouldn't be a nonsensical pick if Pioli took a real LT.

Nice try, prick. I'm sure you're spewing that garbage about Clady as well, right? The guy who's about as strong as you and only has to pass-block for a half-second so Cutler can look at Marshall on his bubble screen and bullet-pass it straight to him.

milkman · 02-15-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

After watching both they're not really that much alike. The thing about where a guy gets picked has alot to do with the other players in the draft. This draft is not top heavy and there's a good chance that whoever is picked with the third pick won't be worth that pick. Now I'm not preaching draft Curry above all else I was pointing out that Curry is alot more then "a cover backer."

PhilFree

9 1/2 sacks in his college career says, regardless of any other attribute, he is not a top 5 LB.

philfree · 02-15-2009, 11:55 AM

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9 1/2 sacks in his college career says, regardless of any other attribute, he is not a top 5 LB.

In most drafts I'd agree but 2009 I'm not 100% on that. He did have 45.5 tkfl though. I think he could have had more sacks but they didn't ask him to do that very much..What Curry does so well is shed blocks allowing him to get in space and make tackles/plays.

PhilFree

Ebolapox · 02-15-2009, 12:10 PM

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In most drafts I'd agree but 2009 I'm not 100% on that. He did have 45.5 tkfl though. I think he could have had more sacks but they didn't ask him to do that very much..What Curry does so well is shed blocks allowing him to get in space and make tackles/plays.

PhilFree

let's see... DJ had 10.5 sacks in his college career (one more than aaron curry), 69 TFL (compared to 45.5 for curry).

man. I REALLY want to take him in the top three now, seeing as he can't live up to the disappointing results of DJ, who was better than he was in college:

philfree · 02-15-2009, 12:25 PM

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let's see... DJ had 10.5 sacks in his college career (one more than aaron curry), 69 TFL (compared to 45.5 for curry).

man. I REALLY want to take him in the top three now, seeing as he can't live up to the disappointing results of DJ, who was better than he was in college:

I want a QB but if it don't work out then the Chiefs are gonna have to pick somebody. As far as better in college I think Curry is a better player and a better pro prospect then DJ. That's my opinion though.

PhilFree