Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[tk13]

Yeah, the good news is for the first time in a few years, we at least appear to have some options with the offensive line. And if one guy falls through we might have something to back up.

But our offense was pathetic, hopefully the depth chart looks better:

QB: Cassel
RB: Charles/Jones
WR: Bowe
WR: Chambers
WR: McCluster
TE: Moeaki

[philfree]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're talking in absolutes: If, If, If.

These guys were brought in to play immediately. They're game changers.

The Chiefs NEEDED a real nickel back and a returner. The Chiefs NEEDED a guy like McCluster. I expect Weis to line him up all over the field.

I think the secondary is going to take a HUGE leap this year. I expect improvement from Mays and especially Belcher & Studebaker.

Personally, I'll take dynamic playmakers any day of the week over a NT or ILB. If the Chiefs had taken an ILB and NT, maybe the defense would be improved but the offense would still suck ass, as would the return game.

I'll take a guy that has the ability to take it to the house every time he touches the ball over a NT every single time. Especially when that NT is a questionable ****ing fat ass.

I agree. Also the Chiefs have been trying to fix the D by drafting for positional need for how many years now? It hasn't worked. Why would we want to continue down that path?


PhilFree

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I know I'm in the minority but I liked this draft very much.

As I said about last year, if Pioli had taken Matthews, Cushing, Oher, Harvin, etc. at #3 overall, people would have bitched but Pioli would have been right.

This year, people are bitching but unlike last year, I think Pioli IS right this year.

You can find NT's and ILB on cut down day that can fill a need. What you can't find are the best young returners in the country, young playmaking slot receivers and young instinctive football players.

They'll probably only win 6-7 games this year. I think 2012 is the year they become a consistent playoff team, IF Pioli's plan works.

That's a good take Dane. I am kind of a C+/B- on this draft but as we both know, shit changes once guys get on the field.

I do think that the return game HAD to be addressed as bad as anything. Last year I dreaded the kick and punts to us because it was like drinking diarrhea. That horrible.

so if McCluster turns into a playmaker and Arenas is Dante Hall 2 people won't say shit.

I'm also getting used to the idea that Pioli knows this will take a little bit of time and isn't trying to fix everything at once. Yeah it means we don't have good nose tackle or inside linebacker play this year, but we've been so awful from top to bottom I guess you gotta start somewhere.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Tebow was the steal of the draft IMO. I don't know what happens with our tackles, we got two blue chip tackles though with Clady and Harris so no matter what Denver is fine.

Wow, your tune changed as soon as you drafted Tebow. Before, it was, they are just doing their due diligence, they won't take him.... now, he is the steal of the draft.

Love it. keep it up. We can always use more objectivity in here.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I know I'm in the minority but I liked this draft very much.

As I said about last year, if Pioli had taken Matthews, Cushing, Oher, Harvin, etc. at #3 overall, people would have bitched but Pioli would have been right.

This year, people are bitching but unlike last year, I think Pioli IS right this year.

You can find NT's and ILB on cut down day that can fill a need. What you can't find are the best young returners in the country, young playmaking slot receivers and young instinctive football players.

They'll probably only win 6-7 games this year. I think 2012 is the year they become a consistent playoff team, IF Pioli's plan works.

I'm in. I love the draft. It is clear they gave Cassel all the tools he needs to be successful. Now it is on him to make this thing go. All the needs could not be filled in this draft. But some important ones were.

There will be more free agency, and another draft next year to take care of other needs.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I know I'm in the minority but I liked this draft very much.

As I said about last year, if Pioli had taken Matthews, Cushing, Oher, Harvin, etc. at #3 overall, people would have bitched but Pioli would have been right.

This year, people are bitching but unlike last year, I think Pioli IS right this year.

You can find NT's and ILB on cut down day that can fill a need. What you can't find are the best young returners in the country, young playmaking slot receivers and young instinctive football players.

They'll probably only win 6-7 games this year. I think 2012 is the year they become a consistent playoff team, IF Pioli's plan works.

Hey, I just want to let you know that I agree with you....so you may want to rethink your position.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

That's a good take Dane. I am kind of a C+/B- on this draft but as we both know, shit changes once guys get on the field.

I do think that the return game HAD to be addressed as bad as anything. Last year I dreaded the kick and punts to us because it was like drinking diarrhea. That horrible.

so if McCluster turns into a playmaker and Arenas is Dante Hall 2 people won't say shit.

I'm also getting used to the idea that Pioli knows this will take a little bit of time and isn't trying to fix everything at once. Yeah it means we don't have good nose tackle or inside linebacker play this year, but we've been so awful from top to bottom I guess you gotta start somewhere.

If McCluster turns into a playmaker that sees the field more than 50% of the snaps, I'll say something.

I'll admit that I was wrong about the value he brings.

The same for Arenas.

On the positive side of things, I absolutely love the selection of Berry and Asamoah.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by tk13

But our offense was pathetic, hopefully the depth chart looks better:

QB: Cassel
RB: Charles/Jones
WR: Bowe
WR: Chambers
WR: McCluster
TE: Moeaki

Id still like to see them sign T.O for a year or two...i think he could help.....but not sure he would take a backup WR role?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Id still like to see them sign T.O for a year or two...i think he could help.....but not sure he would take a backup WR role?

There is NO WAY that Pioli, after stressing character in the draft by selecting team captains and leaders, is going to bring a guy with the "me, me, me" attitude of Terrel Owens.

Forget it.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I believe he has good enough sources that he's extremely well qualified to talk about whether a pick was a reach or not. And if McCluster was a reach, he would have called the Chiefs out on it and they wouldn't have gotten an A+.

Just my thought. A lot of people have implied that McCluster was a reach or isn't worth a high second rounder. And my sense from Gosselin's grade is that he has sources that believe he was picked at just the right spot.

And if you pick a guy at the right spot to play a position you currently don't have, then that's pretty much taking a need-based BPA. And there's nothing wrong with that.

I don't question McCluster's place in this draft in terms of how high he was taken.

I question the wisdom of taking player that I see as a part time player by the Chiefs.

But I'm done with this.

I'll wait to see how things play out and hope that these guys prove to be the answeres that you and others think they are.

[Frankie]

WTF?!!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't question McCluster's place in this draft in terms of how high he was taken.

I question the wisdom of taking player that I see as a part time player by the Chiefs.

But I'm done with this.

I'll wait to see how things play out and hope that these guys prove to be the answeres that you and others think they are.

Fair enough. A lot of this is extremely dependent on these guys being very good at what they do. Arenas has to be very good at nickel and outstanding as a returner to match the value of, say, missing out on Cody. And McCluster needs to be an electric playmaker, regardless of his snaps, to justify passing on someone like Kindle. That's something I get and I was horribly wrong on Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel, so I recognize that there is a far greater expectation for these guys.

So I'm with you on the "wait and see" part. I like the picks only if they live up to certain standards.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't question McCluster's place in this draft in terms of how high he was taken.

I question the wisdom of taking player that I see as a part time player by the Chiefs.

But I'm done with this.

I'll wait to see how things play out and hope that these guys prove to be the answeres that you and others think they are.

Welker is the slot receiver for the Patriots, correct? And isn't he on the field damn near every single offensive play?

And for the Cards, didn't they have 3 receivers on the field nearly every single play?

I could be wrong, but 3 receiver sets seem to be the favorite offense of both of those teams.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't give a rat's ass about Jimmy Clasen.

Never once have I said that he's a guy that I wanted.

I have always said that I wasn't sold on him.

This isn't about any specific player.

This is about full time players vs. part time players.

Interesting.

Full-time players in the Weiss offense:

O-line
QB
WR1
WR3
TE1

The team has a WR1 and WR2, drafted a TE, added multiple pieces to its O-line during the offseason and draft, and seems to have a different take on the QB position than the complainers here. You don't like Clausen, so it should be safe to say that not taking a QB was not a problem, right?

That means the team did what you wanted on offense. If he pans out, McCluster probably will be used in some hybrid of the Welker/Branch days in New England

As for defense, it's going to depend on Crennel's approach. Just as a reference, NE has been taking the NT off the field on passing downs, plays a lot of nickel and dime, and pulls run stuffer type ILBs off the field on passing plays.

If Crennel is going to look in that direction, the draft would seem to have set up for that, although I certainly understand the concerns about NT and OLB. It may just have been a matter of filling some holes knowing others are still huge problems.

New England's been dealing with the OLB problem for a couple of years now, for example. The draft hasn't been a solution so far due to injury (they don't even know if the guys can play because neither OLB drafted in the past two years has gotten an injury-free season to develop), and I'm sure the Patriots would be happy to send you Adalius Thomas.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There is NO WAY that Pioli, after stressing character in the draft by selecting team captains and leaders, is going to bring a guy with the "me, me, me" attitude of Terrel Owens.

Forget it.

heh...yea, i just realized that.