Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[dirk digler]

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+
The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Hope that makes up for Tebow. What are you going to do with Clady now that you have a LH QB? Move him to RT?

Did the Bengals move Munoz to right tackle because Esiason was a lefty?

Regardless of whether or not the QB is left handed or righthanded, you still need an elite left tackle to match up against an elite RDE.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

To be fair, most CP posters have better access to film, run more private workouts for players, and hire more scouts than the Chiefs do. Most fans also have a better handle on the abilities of the current players and what our new staff thinks they can do with them. I thought that was fairly clear.

What a useless ****ing post.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Interesting because I've been reading around and most everyone thinks the chiefs had a great draft.

Well, I know I'm in the minority but I liked this draft very much.

As I said about last year, if Pioli had taken Matthews, Cushing, Oher, Harvin, etc. at #3 overall, people would have bitched but Pioli would have been right.

This year, people are bitching but unlike last year, I think Pioli IS right this year.

You can find NT's and ILB on cut down day that can fill a need. What you can't find are the best young returners in the country, young playmaking slot receivers and young instinctive football players.

They'll probably only win 6-7 games this year. I think 2012 is the year they become a consistent playoff team, IF Pioli's plan works.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

This is pretty much my main complaint. I wanted 4 starters at the end of round 3 I think we got 2.

Two?

I disagree. I think Berry, McCluster, Arenas and Asamoah ALL start.

Plus, I think the term "starter" is bogus. There are plenty of NFL players that don't play all four downs that play 70% of the snaps.

Berry & Asamoah are three and four down players. McCluster is likely at least a two down player, if not a three down player for most of the game.

Arenas as a nickle may not play on first down, but he'll likely play on 2nd, 3rd and 4th down in addition to returns.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, I know I'm in the minority but I liked this draft very much.

As I said about last year, if Pioli had taken Matthews, Cushing, Oher, Harvin, etc. at #3 overall, people would have bitched but Pioli would have been right.

This year, people are bitching but unlike last year, I think Pioli IS right this year.

You can find NT's and ILB on cut down day that can fill a need. What you can't find are the best young returners in the country, young playmaking slot receivers and young instinctive football players.

They'll probably only win 6-7 games this year. I think 2012 is the year they become a consistent playoff team, IF Pioli's plan works.

thats a great post, and right on par with what you have said over the past year. consistant. he got what people wanted. playmaker, playmaker, playmaker, guard (good one and right around where people wanted one) what is there to bitch about?
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[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Two?

I disagree. I think Berry, McCluster, Arenas and Asamoah ALL start.

Plus, I think the term "starter" is bogus. There are plenty of NFL players that don't play all four downs that play 70% of the snaps.

Berry & Asamoah are three and four down players. McCluster is likely at least a two down player, if not a three down player for most of the game.

Arenas as a nickle may not play on first down, but he'll likely play on 2nd, 3rd and 4th down in addition to returns.

Starter may be a bogus term, however, if McCluster doesn't see at least 55% of the snaps on offense, and that's being generous, and Arenas doesn't play the nickel, and only ends up on the field for dime packages, then those are not good picks, any way you try to justify it.

[ChiefMojo]

I'm just love watching the draftbutors cry in their own tears... just makes this draft even better.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

thats a great post, and right on par with what you have said over the past year. consistant. he got what people wanted. playmaker, playmaker, playmaker, guard (good one and right around where people wanted one) what is there to bitch about?
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I'm excited and happy with all of the picks quiet honestly and I think Asamoah has the ability and opportunity to be a 10 years starter next to Albert. I'm a little disappointed that we weren't able to get a 10 year center this year but I hope that Weigman is more than adequate this season.

Albert/Asamoah/Weigman/Brown/O'C would be an enormous upgrade over last year.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Two?

I disagree. I think Berry, McCluster, Arenas and Asamoah ALL start.

Plus, I think the term "starter" is bogus. There are plenty of NFL players that don't play all four downs that play 70% of the snaps.

Berry & Asamoah are three and four down players. McCluster is likely at least a two down player, if not a three down player for most of the game.

Arenas as a nickle may not play on first down, but he'll likely play on 2nd, 3rd and 4th down in addition to returns.

I always said that Dane McCloud was a gentleman and a scholar.

PhilFree

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by alanm

Right next to Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell.

Rick Mirer's a better comparison.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm excited and happy with all of the picks quiet honestly and I think Asamoah has the ability and opportunity to be a 10 years starter next to Albert. I'm a little disappointed that we weren't able to get a 10 year center this year but I hope that Weigman is more than adequate this season.

Albert/Asamoah/Weigman/Brown/O'C would be an enormous upgrade over last year.

I was thinking Albert/ Lilja/Weigman/Asamoah/O'C. Although Haley did say Lilja at RT.....


PhilFree

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

Starter may be a bogus term, however, if McCluster doesn't see at least 55% of the snaps on offense, and that's being generous, and Arenas doesn't play the nickel, and only ends up on the field for dime packages, then those are not good picks, any way you try to justify it.

You're talking in absolutes: If, If, If.

These guys were brought in to play immediately. They're game changers.

The Chiefs NEEDED a real nickel back and a returner. The Chiefs NEEDED a guy like McCluster. I expect Weis to line him up all over the field.

I think the secondary is going to take a HUGE leap this year. I expect improvement from Mays and especially Belcher & Studebaker.

Personally, I'll take dynamic playmakers any day of the week over a NT or ILB. If the Chiefs had taken an ILB and NT, maybe the defense would be improved but the offense would still suck ass, as would the return game.

I'll take a guy that has the ability to take it to the house every time he touches the ball over a NT every single time. Especially when that NT is a questionable ****ing fat ass.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by philfree

I was thinking Albert/ Lilja/Weigman/Asamoah/O'C. Although Haley did say Lilja at RT.....


PhilFree

Lilja at RT? Interesting. I guess I missed that statement. Last I read was that Lilja didn't know where he was lining up.

But either way, our line has completely changed with the selection of Asamoah.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

He has great sources for his final mock.

Does he use these sources to write his grades?

I believe he has good enough sources that he's extremely well qualified to talk about whether a pick was a reach or not. And if McCluster was a reach, he would have called the Chiefs out on it and they wouldn't have gotten an A+.

Just my thought. A lot of people have implied that McCluster was a reach or isn't worth a high second rounder. And my sense from Gosselin's grade is that he has sources that believe he was picked at just the right spot.

And if you pick a guy at the right spot to play a position you currently don't have, then that's pretty much taking a need-based BPA. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by patteeu

A week ago, a statement like that gets you labeled a "True Fan".

100% QFT.

I thought a few weeks ago people were jumping up and down about drafting playmakers. I don't know when we turned into drafting for need.