Ryan Braun tests positive for PED

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I can't help but think that Manny Ramirez and Barry Bonds (if he was ever caught) would never have gotten the benefit of the doubt from an arbitrator on appeal like this. The arbitrator's decision here was seemingly based on absolutely nothing.

Whatever, MLB's inconsistent brand of justice just saved my fantasy team in 2012.

Manny got busted 2 times and NEVER denied it. He was guilty as they come. Bonds pretty much admitted to it saying they used to rub that shit on him but he "thought" it was some kind of bengay type shit.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

Manny got busted 2 times and NEVER denied it.

No, Manny appealed the first time. Retired immediately after the 2nd time and didn't bother appealing.

Bonds pretty much admitted to it saying they used to rub that shit on him but he "thought" it was some kind of bengay type shit.

Oh, Bonds used a whole lot more than that.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

No, Manny appealed the first time. Retired immediately after the 2nd time and didn't bother appealing.


Oh, Bonds used a whole lot more than that.

im sure he did, but my point was that he basically admitted it.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

No, Manny appealed the first time. Retired immediately after the 2nd time and didn't bother appealing.


Oh, Bonds used a whole lot more than that.

lol, He didnt say he didnt take anything though. He just said its for my personal life and i leave that out of the media. He never came out n said, i didnt take anything. Im a Dodger fan believe me, i watched everything about it.

[Al Bundy]

He's innocent in my book.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by UCF Knight

He's innocent in my book.

I have very little doubt that he took PEDs, but who really cares anyway? It's professional sports. Let them take what they want.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I have very little doubt that he took PEDs, but who really cares anyway? It's professional sports. Let them take what they want.

I now think Braun was probably dirty.

It is possible that he was clean, in that every test has a positive failure rate, and if he was one of those 1 in a million people or 10 million people or whatever the odds are for that test to get false positives on both samples, then it sucks for him and he's the unluckiest man in all of sports (cancelled out by luck yesterday), but we have to accept a test with a very, very low false positive rate, especially with 2 samples. Someone somewhere someday probably in some olympic sport no one cares about will probably get screwed, but I really doubt that theoretical lottery-winner was Braun.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by alnorth

I now think Braun was probably dirty.

It is possible that he was clean, in that every test has a positive failure rate, and if he was one of those 1 in a million people or 10 million people or whatever the odds are for that test to get false positives on both samples, then it sucks for him and he's the unluckiest man in all of sports (cancelled out by luck yesterday), but we have to accept a test with a very, very low false positive rate, especially with 2 samples. Someone somewhere someday probably in some olympic sport no one cares about will probably get screwed, but I really doubt that theoretical lottery-winner was Braun.

From the ESPN article the founds Synthetic Test in his 2nd sample and Brauns side didn't even dispute that. They just went after the TE ratio.

[alnorth]

I also read that it probably wasn't just a pee test divided into 2 samples, its more comprehensive than that, and he probably failed a series of tests. The last test was likely a sophisticated blood test.

All of those tests have false positive rates, but to coincidentally get a false positive on all of them is 1 in millions lottery type of odds.

[O.city]

Now, everyone who tests positive will be appealing.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by O.city

Now, everyone who tests positive will be appealing.

For the most part, they already were.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by O.city

Now, everyone who tests positive will be appealing.

Why do you think they don't? They almost always appeal, and until today they have never won. Its not like everyone told Braun "hey, forget it, appealing is a waste of time, nobody ever appeals" and Braun thought "eh, why not, I'll give it a shot, maybe this appeal thing could work"

[veist]

The rumor is that it basically wasn't shipped fast enough because whoever was responsible thought Fedex was closed Saturday evenings that created the chain of custody problem which is kind of laughable that they ****ed something so simple up that badly.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by veist

The rumor is that it basically wasn't shipped fast enough because whoever was responsible thought Fedex was closed Saturday evenings that created the chain of custody problem which is kind of laughable that they ****ed something so simple up that badly.

I hope that is not it. If its a technical violation of the rules for the procedure, so be it, but unless that particular test required that urine be newer than X days to be effective, that wont fly in the court of public opinion.

I'd hope it was more like some random guy in the lab who wasn't authorized took it out of the room and had possession of it for several hours, or it was accidentally contaminated by some Dorito dust from a slob on his lunch break, or something stupid and irresponsible like that.

[KC_Connection]

Joel Sherman ‏ @Joelsherman1 Close
Heard Braun sample sat with collector all weekend because he thought FedEx was not open to send to lab. This was technicality that

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Braun side used to sway arb. MLB shocked that carried the day

So it's a technicality that got him off, then? At least that's something more tangible than nothing at all.

You know, assuming this is even entirely correct. MLB is clearly putting this information out there to save face.