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Old 09-24-2013, 08:34 PM   #1
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Would we be singing this song if it'd been a QB at 1.1?

No... we'd be saying he needs a year or two before we even know what we have.
Remember when the QB position was the same as the RT position?

Oh yeah, that's right.

What the **** kind of argument is that.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:39 PM   #2
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Remember when the QB position was the same as the RT position?

Oh yeah, that's right.

What the **** kind of argument is that.
Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?
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Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?
Does this really need explained?

Seriously?
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:44 PM   #4
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Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?
No one is calling fisher a bust, he's played 3 games ffs. It will be at least 2 years before the guy is declared one thing or another.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:49 PM   #5
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No one is calling fisher a bust, he's played 3 games ffs. It will be at least 2 years before the guy is declared one thing or another.
I doubt it. The CP hate culture is pretty focused on him.

No quarter will be given to this 22 year old from the MAC for not dominating the NFL immediately.
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I doubt it. The CP hate culture is pretty focused on him.

No quarter will be given to this 22 year old from the MAC for not dominating the NFL immediately.
He was the first overall pick of the draft. He hasn't lived up to that as of yet. It's ok to say that.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:54 PM   #7
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I doubt it. The CP hate culture is pretty focused on him.

No quarter will be given to this 22 year old from the MAC for not dominating the NFL immediately.
CP tends to hate players that play like shit, so yeah.

If he starts playing like he belongs in the league then it will stop.

RT isn't a glamour position. If he does his job well, he probably won't even be noticed by most fans. If he does poorly, he's going to get lambasted. Them's the breaks when you're a tackle in this league.

It's not his fault that our GM decided a RT from a D1AA school was worth the number one overall. He's going to be forever linked to that pick, though. There's just no getting around it.
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Old 09-24-2013, 08:47 PM   #8
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Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?
Who called Eric Fisher a bust?

Can you read? He's just played piss poor in the first three games and you can't take away any sort of inspiration that he'll develop into a quality tackle from these performances. It's not over for the guy. He can still be good. The track record so far suggests he was a mistake.

Since you're talking about Geno Smith here; I'll just say he's shown some rookie mistakes. He's made some really dumb decisions that have cost his team the game. He's also shown spots of brilliance that make you remember why he was even in the discussion at 1.1 in the first place. Fisher has not.

He gets more time to develop because he plays the most important position in the NFL. Fisher doesn't. He's supposed to play a position where he can step in from day one and be a strong contributor. He isn't asked to do the sort of things a QB is. It's that simple.
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Who called Eric Fisher a bust?

Can you read? He's just played piss poor in the first three games and you can't take away any sort of inspiration that he'll develop into a quality tackle from these performances. It's not over for the guy. He can still be good. The track record so far suggests he was a mistake.

Since you're talking about Geno Smith here; I'll just say he's shown some rookie mistakes. He's made some really dumb decisions that have cost his team the game. He's also shown spots of brilliance that make you remember why he was even in the discussion at 1.1 in the first place. Fisher has not.

He gets more time to develop because he plays the most important position in the NFL. Fisher doesn't. He's supposed to play a position where he can step in from day one and be a strong contributor. He isn't asked to do the sort of things a QB is. It's that simple.
I don't think nfl teams think the same way as your last paragraph states per say
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I don't think nfl teams think the same way as your last paragraph states per say
It's why guys like Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder get an exceptionally long leash. QB's just get more time to develop and mature. ESPECIALLY highly drafted QB's.
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It's why guys like Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder get an exceptionally long leash. QB's just get more time to develop and mature. ESPECIALLY highly drafted QB's.
Highly drafted players, not just qbs get that.
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Highly drafted players, not just qbs get that.
Eric Fisher will get every chance in the world to prove he doesn't suck. He could blow goats for the next two years straight; and he's still out there starting his third season.

He's this regime's first pick. He's the number one overall pick. He'll get his shot to prove he can be an adequate tackle. No doubt about that.

I just know that myself personally; and a huge percentage of the fan base view a RT as an incredibly safe pick. If you draft a RT; then he shouldn't need some sort of lengthy transition period. He should just come in and be able to play at a decent to good level and progress from there.

Fisher has come in and under-performed by an incredible margin. Didn't expect that from the guy our GM deemed the best college player available.
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Highly drafted players, not just qbs get that.
Right... all I am saying is, why write him off or hold him to a different standard because he hasn't been effective immediately? He made the biggest jump in the level of competition he's facing of anybody we've added in the draft in recent years.

He developed pretty steadily at the collegiate level but this is a whole different ballgame. It was always going to take time.
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Why is it that picks we would have liked get 2 or more seasons of deference to 'develop', but picks we didn't like are busts if they don't perform immediately?
Because we keep wasting 1sts on combine/workout warriors and not productive players.

I'm glad Poe seems to have turned the corner but reaches like him and Baldwin are why we were where we were...
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Because we keep wasting 1sts on combine/workout warriors and not productive players.

I'm glad Poe seems to have turned the corner but reaches like him and Baldwin are why we were where we were...
but Fisher wasn't a reach. He more than likely would have been top 5 even if we'd been elsewhere in the draft.

Baldwin was picked at the bottom of the first round, so I don't know how terrible that is. It's not comparable to whiffing on a Tyson Jackson type of pick.

The two biggest success factors in the NFL today are Head Coach and Quarterback. If you don't have those, nothing else really matters.

I think the reason why we've mostly been a bottom feeder for the last decade is because we haven't had either one of those until this offseason. It wasn't because we missed on a DE 5 years ago.

Belichick and Newsome whiff on picks too.
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