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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:37 PM   #1021
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What's the "whoops"? What's his playoff record outside of one Super Bowl run? It's pretty lousy.
Uh, he lost to 2 SB teams and a pretty good Arizona team.


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I have completely given up on Alex Smith as a qb. Its painful to watch. Like, worse than watching Colt McCoy.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:37 PM   #1022
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I'm referring more to your general attitude of "why would we want a qb like eli". It's pretty dumb if you think about it.
It really shouldn't have to be thought about it.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:37 PM   #1023
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Yeah, thats what everyone is saying here.


Stop making shit up.
All offseason and season long we've heard how awesome Alex was in that one playoff game....

But now someone has the gall to discredit Aaron Rodgers' postseason accomplishments.

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:38 PM   #1024
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What's the "whoops"? What's his playoff record outside of one Super Bowl run? It's pretty lousy.
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Aaron Rodgers has not been impressive in 4th quarters of close games, and apart from one Super Bowl run, has been pretty bad in the playoffs.
I don't see where you've referenced anything about record here.

You said he played bad.

He didn't.

You were talking out of your ass, and got caught. Man up, move on.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:40 PM   #1025
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I don't see where you've referenced anything about record here.

You said he played bad.

He didn't.

You were talking out of your ass, and got caught. Man up, move on.
He looked like shit in that Zona game.


Also turrible in the 49ers game last year. I mean, he was the only reason they were tied at halftime.
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Meh, give me Brees or Rodgers. I'll take my chances.
Here's food for thought. In Brees and Rodgers' 6 playoff losses, they ran the ball less than 20 times each game. In 5 of those losses, they ran the ball less than 15 times. They pretty much threw 40 times or more in each of those games, with Brees throwing a few in the 60s.

In the playoffs... would you rather an explosive offense? Or do you think there's something to be said for establishing a strong running game, and having a QB that can efficiently put up solid numbers? You have your opinion, but I'm also getting shit for what I think you would agree is a fair point that there is nothing wrong with focusing on efficieincy in the postseason.
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Here's food for thought. In Brees and Rodgers' 6 playoff losses, they ran the ball less than 20 times each game. In 5 of those losses, they ran the ball less than 15 times. They pretty much threw 40 times or more in each of those games, with Brees throwing a few in the 60s.

In the playoffs... would you rather an explosive offense? Or do you think there's something to be said for establishing a strong running game, and having a QB that can efficiently put up solid numbers? You have your opinion, but I'm also getting shit for what I think you would agree is a fair point that there is nothing wrong with focusing on efficieincy in the postseason.
I'd rather have an explosive offense that utilizes the run game effectively.
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I do agree, but I also think with said efficiency, what you are doing is shrinking the game down to a point where it's eventually going to have to come down to a QB or a defense making a play when it counts.

If you have those, like Eli or Big Ben, or Flacco, or the Ravens defense, yes, it can and will always be something that is there in the playoffs.

But if you don't, ala Marty's offenses of the 90's, you can shrink yourself out of the game.
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I don't see where you've referenced anything about record here.

You said he played bad.

He didn't.

You were talking out of your ass, and got caught. Man up, move on.
That's interesting, because hasn't CP argued in the past that Trent Green shouldn't be considered franchise because he didn't consistently close in the 4th? I think Rodgers is one hell of a QB. I like the guy a lot and would obviously take him on the Chiefs in a heartbeat. But let's not ignore the fact that he hasn't proven he can consistently win games where the team has to battle it out in the 4th.
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I don't see where you've referenced anything about record here.

You said he played bad.

He didn't.

You were talking out of your ass, and got caught. Man up, move on.
You didn't really put it in my ass. That was just the tip, which doesn't count.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:48 PM   #1032
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Rodgers has actually been an extremely mediocre 4th quarter player.
They win a lot of games, so it's hard to compare as far as the yards you need in the 4th compared to earlier in games, but I included 2008 and 2006 when they weren't so good...


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BY QUARTER	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
QUARTER = 1	83 	122 	939 	68.0 	7.70 	61 	9 	1 	18 	112.0 	14 	117 	8.4 	25 	1
QUARTER = 2	115 	168 	1,178 	68.5 	7.01 	32 	12 	2 	14 	107.2 	7 	29 	4.1 	15 	0
QUARTER = 3	98 	145 	1,230 	67.6 	8.48 	73 	7 	3 	9 	101.2 	9 	63 	7.0 	27 	1
QUARTER = 4	75 	117 	948 	64.1 	8.10 	49 	11 	2 	10 	113.5 	24 	50 	2.1 	19 	0
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BY QUARTER	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
QUARTER = 1	89 	121 	1,094 	73.6 	9.04 	50 	11 	0 	6 	131.4 	11 	53 	4.8 	11 	0
QUARTER = 2	105 	160 	1,268 	65.6 	7.93 	93 	12 	2 	14 	109.6 	20 	112 	5.6 	25 	1
QUARTER = 3	82 	123 	1,382 	66.7 	11.24 	79 	12 	0 	9 	137.0 	16 	83 	5.2 	19 	1
QUARTER = 4	67 	98 	899 	68.4 	9.17 	84 	10 	4 	7 	114.3 	13 	9 	0.7 	8 	1
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BY QUARTER	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
QUARTER = 1	73 	112 	1,072 	65.2 	9.57 	86 	6 	3 	7 	103.0 	11 	100 	9.1 	27 	0
QUARTER = 2	99 	161 	1,103 	61.5 	6.85 	57 	9 	2 	10 	95.3 	18 	80 	4.4 	18 	0
QUARTER = 3	77 	104 	985 	74.0 	9.47 	61 	8 	3 	5 	116.9 	11 	58 	5.3 	15 	2
QUARTER = 4	62 	94 	757 	66.0 	8.05 	46 	5 	2 	7 	99.5 	24 	118 	4.9 	17 	2

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BY QUARTER	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	LNG	TD	INT	SACK	RAT	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
QUARTER = 1	73 	117 	714 	62.4 	6.10 	46 	4 	1 	7 	87.3 	10 	29 	2.9 	7 	0
QUARTER = 2	106 	152 	1,282 	69.7 	8.43 	62 	12 	4 	8 	110.7 	13 	77 	5.9 	21 	2
QUARTER = 3	75 	124 	979 	60.5 	7.90 	63 	4 	3 	10 	86.1 	10 	61 	6.1 	16 	0
QUARTER = 4	87 	143 	1,063 	60.8 	7.43 	71 	8 	5 	9 	87.8 	23 	40 	1.7 	8 	2
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That's interesting, because hasn't CP argued in the past that Trent Green shouldn't be considered franchise because he didn't consistently close in the 4th? I think Rodgers is one hell of a QB. I like the guy a lot and would obviously take him on the Chiefs in a heartbeat. But let's not ignore the fact that he hasn't proven he can consistently win games where the team has to battle it out in the 4th.
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Deez, I didn't mean to come out at you guns blazing earlier like that. My bad.
We're good, dude.

I'm feeling pretty annoyed and tired of the hypocrisy tonight. None of that is directed at you.
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