AFCW: Week 11

[Mile High Mania]

I feel like I'm having that moment in 'The Jerk' when Navin R. Johnson realizes the phone books just arrived. "It's here - It's here... Chiefs @ Broncos, sounds like your typical assholes are coming to town."

Anyway, this is what everyone around here has been clamoring about for months now, the only blemish is that it's 8-1 vs 9-0, but sole possession of first place is on the line here, and there's absolutely no lack for drama.

As I type this, the Manningverse is all lit up about the MRI that will be performed today and while it's definitely a concern, I don't see this being a case where he's missing the game. If that were to happen, then all bets are off as the 6'7 Sasquatch would see his first action... but again, that ain't happening.

Through 10 weeks, we have the following:

Chiefs 9-0
Broncos 8-1
Chargers 4-5
Raiders 3-6

Three games that matter, but really only one of any real importance as it relates to the race for the Division crown.

Raiders @ Texans
Neither team is really any good right now, but both have the potential to win this game. I'm keeping it easy here and sticking with the home team. Houston has better playmakers across the board, IMO. And, I like what Keenum has been doing. The Raiders look ... well, like the Raiders. I think it could be a fun game to watch, possibly, but the Texans win this one by 10.

Texans 27 / Raiders 17

Chargers @ Dolphins
As I type this, the Dolphins are in all kinds of disarray and preparing to battle the Bucs on MNF. So, no clue as to whether or not they're rolling into this game with a win or a loss.

Either way, I don't think it will matter as I believe the Chargers when this "battle of the coastal teams". San Diego has talent and they can put up points, but their defense is rather lame. I think this could be a good game, but the Chargers win this one after a big letdown at home vs the Broncos. Chargers fans will be teased into another few weeks of "maybe we can get a WC spot" before ultimately being disappointed after their team loses 4 of their final 6 games at the hands of Denver, KC (twice) and the Bengals.

Chargers 30 / Dolphins 17

Broncos vs Chiefs

There's not much more that can be said that isn't already being hotly debated on 72 other threads regarding this epic matchup. The Chiefs stroll into Denver with a perfect 9-0 record coming out of their bye week. The Chiefs are relatively healthy and determined to prove to everyone that they are without a doubt the best team in the land.

The Broncos slipped up against the Colts, and their defense has given up a fair amount of points and yards to every team they've played this season.

Every bit of success that Denver has is directly related to Manning - big shocker and with the ankle issues and the banged up Oline... there is cause for concern. The good news is that while the Chiefs have a nasty defense, their offense is fairly pedestrian.

I noted in another thread that if you were to compare Denver's production at home and KC's production on the road, it's not pretty for KC. In 4 road games, the Chiefs' offense has produced 5 TDs and 11 FGs, while the Defense and Special Teams has accounted for 5 other TDs. That's really good if you're a KC fan, but on the road in Denver... I think Smith and the passing game will have to become a bit more bold and productive, especially if Denver is successful in containing/limiting Charles.

I've thrown out a few random score predictions over the last week, but they all have one thing in common - I believe Denver wins this one by roughly 10 points. Yes, Manning is banged up - the Oline is banged up. The Chiefs defense is crazy nasty and will do all they can to hit Manning early, hard and often.

Can they be successful with this and can their offense put up 20+ points? I think Yes and No... it should be a fun game.

Broncos 34 / Chiefs 23

[BossChief]

Here is how you beat KCs defense:

Always know where Kendrick Lewis is.

He is the new Mike Brown as far as I'm concerned.

[Breaker]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

What does that have to do with anything you said? I'd call you reeruned again, but that would be insulting to actual reeruns.

Holy shit you are a ****tard. My response was to this post

"Legit playoff team with the whopping 0 playoff wins with Manning?"

Clearly bringing up playoff wins, thus my response was well within the normal run of a conversation you idiot. I realize that the Wichita school systems are terrible, and you probably don't have past a 2nd grade education, but I would immediately order Hooked on Phonics to help you improve your reading comprehension.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by SNR

And those last two games against inferior competition just before the long-awaited and somewhat delayed in the schedule bye week are THE indicator of how good this defense is, right? It's not everything they did before. Clearly teams just "figured out" the Chiefs defense, and it turns out the solution is so simple it can damn near be implemented by QBs like Jason Campbell and Jeff Tuel, right?

I mean, those last two games ARE the Chiefs. That's what you're trying to get at, right? Otherwise why even bother bringing up those last two games and highlighting them against the absolutely ****ing stellar production they had earlier in the season against superior QBs and more explosive offenses?

I was looking back at the last month because it think that gives a good view of what they have done recently. Who were the superior QBs ands stellar offenses earlier in the season?

[AussieChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I was looking back at the last month because it think that gives a good view of what they have done recently. Who were the superior QBs ands stellar offenses earlier in the season?

Romo and Vick are both QBs who often put up big numbers, and so do their offenses. Keenum has been playing very well against a lot of teams, one of those teams being the Colts, who beats the Broncos. Holding Pryor to 7 ain't bad either, not to mention also holding Eli to 7.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan

Romo and Vick are both QBs who often put up big numbers, and so do their offenses. Keenum has been playing very well against a lot of teams, one of those teams being the Colts, who beats the Broncos. Holding Pryor to 7 ain't bad either, not to mention also holding Eli to 7.

Sure, but Romo and the Cowboys suck on the road - it's proven, just look at the performances over the years. Vick and that offense were figured out quick, he's no longer QB. Keenun had his first start at CK. Eli... that was during their wretched stretch when they stunk.

Aside from Eli, at his best, few people put those guys in the superior category.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Sure, but Romo and the Cowboys suck on the road - it's proven, just look at the performances over the years. Vick and that offense were figured out quick, he's no longer QB. Keenun had his first start at CK. Eli... that was during their wretched stretch when they stunk.

Aside from Eli, at his best, few people put those guys in the superior category.

Okay, who have Denver kept to 17 or fewer points this year?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan

Okay, who have Denver kept to 17 or fewer points this year?

What's the magical # 17 all about? I get it's the max that KC has given up, but what does it mean in the grand scheme?

Denver's lowest point total allowed is 19 (and that includes an INT pick 6) so the defense gave up 12.

Again, I'm not suggesting nor have I ever suggested that KC's defense is a fluke or that Denver's is equal. Denver's offense puts up 39 points a game on average, that's where their bread is buttered. And, we'll see what wins out on Sunday - great offense or great defense.

If KC's team were transported back to the 80s, early 90s ... unstoppable.

[TOUCHDOWN!!! KC]

Ravens 27 @ Broncos 49
Ravens record 4-5
Ravens Defense 8th Pts/G, 16th pass.

Donks first game of the season Vs the Ravens. No one knew what
to expect from the Donks. Everyone knew the Ravens Defense wasn't
going to be anything close to the Defense they've fielded over
the past decade. Ravens D has gotten better ever week since this game.


Broncos 41 @ Giants** 23
Giants record 3-6
Giants Defense 26th Pts/G, 10th pass.

Brother Vs Brother. Giants were 0-1 at this time. This was the
game we pretty much realized that the Giants weren't the same
Defense, or offense over the last couple years.


Raiders** 21 @ Broncos 37
Raiders record 3-6
Raiders Defense 21st Pts/G, 20th pass.

Meh it's the Faiders.


Eagles** 20 @ Broncos 52
Eagles record 5-5
Eagles Defense 20th Pts/G, 31st pass.

This is about the time that everyone realized that Chip Kelly's
offense wasnt going too burn up the NFL


Broncos 51 @ Cowboys** 48
Cowboys record 5-5
Cowboys Defense 23rd Pts/G, 32nd pass.

Tony Romo played a beautiful game too throw it all away on the
last pass of the game.


Jaguars 19 Broncos 35** 19 @ Broncos 35
Jaguars record 1-8
Jaguars Defense 32nd Pts/G, 13th pass.

Jags Defense hit BrokeNeck and kept it close. This was the game
the "National Media" realized that the Donks are beatable.


Broncos 33 @ Colts 39
Colts record 6-3
Colts Defense 9th Pts/G, 17th pass.

The "Homecoming". That realization came true. Plus the "BrokeNeck
Can't Win the BIG GAME".


Redskins 21 @ Broncos 45
Redskins record 3-6
Redskins Defense 31st Pts/G, 26th pass.

What no breakdown... yeah I got nothing for you on this game, or the
Skins. Except that they are improving and when the Chiefs actually
play them they will be a much improved team. (Barring Injury of course)


Broncos 28 @ Chargers 20
Chargers record 4-5
Chargers Defense 13 Pts/G, 28th pass.

Crybaby and the Dolts almost won this if my memory is correct. Not saying
it is... but I could be right.


**Chiefs also faced these teams.

KC 28 @ JAC 2
DAL 16 @ KC 17
KC 26 @ PHI 16
NYG 7 @ KC 31
OAK 7 @ KC 24

Teams the Chiefs have faced and the Donks haven't. Adding the rush defense
as well cause the Chiefs have a running game.

KC 26 @ TEN 17
Ten record 4-5
Defense 10th Pts/G, 6th pass, rush 18th


HOU 16 @ KC 17
Hou record 2-7
Defense 28th Pts/G, 1st pass, 14th rush


CLE 17 @ KC 23
Cle record 4-5
Defense 11th Pts/G, 9th pass, 6th rush


KC 23 @ BUF 13
Buf record 3-7
Defense 24th Pts/G, 25th pass, 30th rush

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I was looking back at the last month because it think that gives a good view of what they have done recently. Who were the superior QBs ands stellar offenses earlier in the season?

There was a QB that lit you guys up for 48 points.

There was also an offense (Philly) that was unfamiliar to a lot of defensive coordinators. They were ripping through their competition until they faced KC.

Eli Manning is still a very good QB. Lack of run game and offensive line troubles notwithstanding.

And finally, Keenum. Yeah, you laugh, but I'd be willing to make a wager with you or any Donk fan that he'll rip your defense apart, certainly for more than 16 points, which came against a defense trying to keep it laid back and simple unless forced to dial up hot pressure blitzes.

That same defense I can guarantee you will not be as forgiving and cautious when Denver matches up with them this Sunday.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by TOUCHDOWN!!! KC

Jaguars 19 Broncos 35** 19 @ Broncos 35
Jaguars record 1-8
Jaguars Defense 32nd Pts/G, 13th pass.

Jags Defense hit BrokeNeck and kept it close. This was the game
the "National Media" realized that the Donks are beatable.

I love how the theme is that the Jags "kept it close". The pick 6 (which was a great leaping catch by the LB) brought them to within 2. The Broncos' defense held their offense to 12 points... and they won by 16. But, whatever. It doesn't work when I say that the Browns and Bills "kept it close" against KC, but it works here? Sure...

Originally Posted by SNR

There was a QB that lit you guys up for 48 points.

There was also an offense (Philly) that was unfamiliar to a lot of defensive coordinators. They were ripping through their competition until they faced KC.

Eli Manning is still a very good QB. Lack of run game and offensive line troubles notwithstanding.

And finally, Keenum. Yeah, you laugh, but I'd be willing to make a wager with you or any Donk fan that he'll rip your defense apart, certainly for more than 16 points, which came against a defense trying to keep it laid back and simple unless forced to dial up hot pressure blitzes.

That same defense I can guarantee you will not be as forgiving and cautious when Denver matches up with them this Sunday.

Yep - Romo had a lot of fun in his house...

Philly game - it was a 7 point game late into the 4th and then Succop hit a FG to make it a 10 point game. PHI still nearly had 500 yards of offense with nearly 300 rushing yards. So, they were really ripping through the competition (weeks 1 and 2) before KC man handled them, you're right. (Denver was beating PHI late in the 4th 52-13 when Foles through a TD late in garbage time)

Denver beat Eli's team and Vick's team and they'll play Houston down the road. I'm glad you've legitimized Keenum though, that's helpful.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I love how the theme is that the Jags "kept it close". The pick 6 (which was a great leaping catch by the LB) brought them to within 2. The Broncos' defense held their offense to 12 points... and they won by 16. But, whatever. It doesn't work when I say that the Browns and Bills "kept it close" against KC, but it works here? Sure...



Yep - Romo had a lot of fun in his house...

Philly game - it was a 7 point game late into the 4th and then Succop hit a FG to make it a 10 point game. PHI still nearly had 500 yards of offense with nearly 300 rushing yards. So, they were really ripping through the competition (weeks 1 and 2) before KC man handled them, you're right. (Denver was beating PHI late in the 4th 52-13 when Foles through a TD late in garbage time)

Denver beat Eli's team and Vick's team and they'll play Houston down the road. I'm glad you've legitimized Keenum though, that's helpful.

So the broncos gave up 6 times the points the Chiefs gave up to the Jaguars? Good D man.

[MahiMike]

Broncos 34-23 sounds about right.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

So the broncos gave up 6 times the points the Chiefs gave up to the Jaguars? Good D man.

Yeah, but if you'll recall... Gabbert was the QB vs KC, Henne was the QB vs Denver and while he still sucks, he's better than Gabbert and they had Blackmon back in the lineup vs Denver (he didn't play vs KC). Blackmon was the difference maker for anything they did on offense.

Great point though.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yeah, but if you'll recall... Gabbert was the QB vs KC, Henne was the QB vs Denver and while he still sucks, he's better than Gabbert and they had Blackmon back in the lineup vs Denver (he didn't play vs KC). Blackmon was the difference maker for anything they did on offense.

Great point though.

so you played the back up, hmm no one seems to talk about that

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

so you played the back up, hmm no one seems to talk about that

Yeah, but he's better than Gabbert and the bigger item there is Blackmon. Either way... debating over the fact that they scored 2 on KC thanks to a safety and 19 on Denver, 7 of it on an INT return is really silly. The game was never in doubt and they won by 16.