Fruit Juice....just as bad for you as soda.

[CrazyPhuD]

Frankly this is the least surprising result in the history of science. Shocker...what's bad for you from obesity/diabetes is liquid calories that don't make you feel full. The fact that it's natural doesn't make it any better.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-0...ce-sugary.html

(Medical Xpress)—Drinking fruit juice is potentially just as bad for you as drinking sugar-sweetened drinks because of its high sugar content, two medical researchers from the University of Glasgow have warned.
Writing in The Lancet Diabetes and Endocrinology journal, Professor Naveed Sattar and Dr Jason Gill – both of the university's Institute of Cardiovascular and Medical Sciences – call for better labelling of fruit juice containers to make explicit to consumers that they should drink no more than 150ml a day.
They also recommend a change to the UK Government's current "five-a-day" guidelines, saying these five fruit and vegetable servings should no longer include a portion of fruit juice. Inclusion of fruit juice as a fruit equivalent is "probably counter-productive" because it "fuels the perception that drinking fruit juice is good for health, and thus need not be subject to the limits that many individuals impose on themselves for consumption of less healthy foods".
Professor Sattar, who is Professor of Metabolic Medicine, said: "Fruit juice has a similar energy density and sugar content to other sugary drinks, for example: 250ml of apple juice typically contains 110 kcal and 26g of sugar; and 250ml of cola typically contains 105kcal and 26.5g of sugar.
"Additionally, by contrast with the evidence for solid fruit intake, for which high consumption is generally associated with reduced or neutral risk of diabetes, current evidence suggests high fruit juice intake is associated with increased risk of diabetes."One glass of fruit juice contains substantially more sugar than one piece of fruit; in addition, much of the goodness in fruit – fibre, for example – is not found in fruit juice, or is there in far smaller amounts, explains Professor Sattar.
Although fruit juices contain vitamins and minerals, whereas sugar-sweetened drinks do not, Dr Gill argues that the micronutrient content of fruit juices "might not be sufficient to offset the adverse metabolic consequences of excessive fruit juice consumption".
In one scientific trial, for example, it was shown that, despite having a high antioxidant content, the consumption of half a litre of grape juice per day for three months actually increased insulin resistance and waist circumference in overweight adults."Thus, contrary to the general perception of the public, and of many healthcare professionals, that drinking fruit juice is a positive health behaviour, their consumption might not be substantially different in health terms than drinking other sugary drinks," said Dr Gill.
The researchers also tested public awareness of the sugar content of fruit juices, smoothies and sugar-sweetened drinks by carrying out an online poll of over 2000 adults. Participants were shown pictures of full containers of different non-alcoholic beverages and were asked to estimate the number of teaspoons of sugar contained in the portion shown. Although the sugar content of all drinks and smoothies was similar, the sugar content of fruit juices and smoothies was underestimated by 48% on average, whereas the sugar content of carbonated drinks was overestimated by 12%.
"Thus, there seems to be a clear misperception that fruit juices and smoothies are low-sugar alternatives to sugar-sweetened beverages," said Dr Gill.
There are strong public health reasons for targeting sugar-sweetened drinks, possibly through the imposition of an increase in taxation as a means of reducing consumption, argues Professor Sattar.
While there have been calls in the USA to eliminate all fruit-juice consumption by children, the researchers stop short of recommending similar moves in the UK. They also feel that a fruit juice tax would not be warranted. However, Professor Sattar argues: "In the broader context of public health policy, it is important that debate about sugar-sweetened beverage reduction should include fruit juice."
The debate around fruit juice comes as medical experts are focusing more closely on the link between high sugar consumption and heart disease risks.
Professor Sattar said: "We have known for years about the dangers of excess saturated fat intake, an observation which led the food industry to replace unhealthy fats with presumed 'healthier' sugars in many food products. Helping individuals cut not only their excessive fat intake, but also refined sugar intake, could have major health benefits including lessening obesity and heart attacks. Ultimately, there needs to be a refocus to develop foods which not only limit saturated fat intake but simultaneously limit refined sugar content."

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by scho63

Fruit Juice....just as bad for you as soda.

I stated this about a month or so ago in the "which is the best juicer to buy".

A complete waste of calories and the sugar content is usually sky high. In many cases it costs about $2 to make a single glass of juice with the need for so much fruit.

Plus trying to absorb vitamins by drinking them is so inefficient.

where is your proof?/Silock

[Dayze]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

You mean the Kool-aid that you're supposed to dump a cup of processed sugar into?

...wait a minute. only a cup?


....I've made a horrible mistake.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Dayze

have you tried Tazo's Mint Green Tea? Holy shit I love that stuff. I bought a big case of it a Costco, on a whim. Fell in love with it. Next time we went, I bought 2 cases. But since then, they haven't had it. I'll usually get a couple at the store though. Outstanding.

I've probably had every variety of Tazo, Itoen and Honest out there. At least every one offered at Whole Foods, that Organic Store off 470/291 and 70, or that occasionally makes it to Big Lots. Don't have a strong memory of Tazo's mint. I do like Honest Tea's First Nation Mint, though.

If I had to pick a favorite, it'd probably Itoen's toasted green tea, called Oi Ocha. It's so definitely tea, but the toasting of the tea leaves makes it different from any other tea you might get.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

It depends upon what you are trying to address...trying to get more vitamins/minerals in your diet probably a good thing.

Trying to cut calories for dietary....not so much....liquid calories are liquid calories(especially liquid simple sugars). What makes them the debbil is that they're so easy to drink a lot and not realize it(because you don't get the 'full' sensation like you do with solid foods).

This. I have no more than 4 ounces a day.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

This. I have no more than 4 ounces a day.

He's talking about liquid sugars, not your liquid protein.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I haven't seen any concrete evidence that smoking crack every day is bad either

I already posted an article from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition doing a research review of HFCS. The evidence just isn't there. This article doesn't say if the diet was controlled for calories or if they just added extra juice to their existing diets. Both are huge factors.

Believe what you want, but avoiding fruit isn't going to make you healthy.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

where is your proof?/Silock

Don't be that guy.

[Fire Me Boy!]

Originally Posted by scho63

Fruit Juice....just as bad for you as soda.

I stated this about a month or so ago in the "which is the best juicer to buy".

A complete waste of calories and the sugar content is usually sky high. In many cases it costs about $2 to make a single glass of juice with the need for so much fruit.

Plus trying to absorb vitamins by drinking them is so inefficient.

Yep. That's why the blender is better. You get the fiber and all that comes in the flesh too.

[CrazyPhuD]

Originally Posted by Silock

That's because there's still no solid scientific evidence that it's anything bad except in the general sense of too many calories, no matter if it's natural or processed or HFCS.

Nobody got ****ing fat eating fruit or drinking ****ing juice alone.

Actually the paper is saying that people got fatter(or at least expanded their waistlines) due to drinking ~16 oz of fruit juice a day.

In one scientific trial, for example, it was shown that, despite having a high antioxidant content, the consumption of half a litre of grape juice per day for three months actually increased insulin resistance and waist circumference in overweight adults.

Eating fruit is mostly different because they tend to be loaded with fiber which slows down the digestive process reducing the impact of the sugar rush/sugar crash that too much available simple sugars cause.

When you make juice from fruits you strip out all of that good fiber that delays digestion. What you are left with is a drink full of simple sugars with nothing to slow down absorption. Sugar water is Sugar water whether it came from a fruit or HFCS.

Fruit drinks may have some benefits from the vitamins/minerals but they are loaded with sugar.

Hell here's a welch's grape juice label.



and here's the v8 label made from vegetables(I know neither is the best product but a decent example).

[CrazyPhuD]

Originally Posted by Silock

I already posted an article from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition doing a research review of HFCS. The evidence just isn't there. This article doesn't say if the diet was controlled for calories or if they just added extra juice to their existing diets. Both are huge factors.

Believe what you want, but avoiding fruit isn't going to make you healthy.

The point isn't about avoiding fruit....the point is if you start to have discussions about taxing sugary drinks you can't just write exceptions for sugary drinks that you like.

If governments feel like taxing sugary drinks to try to fight obesity fine...but you have to include other high sugar drinks too like fruit juices.

The science and frankly the logic is there that anything liquid that is LOADED with simple sugars is going to contribute to excess calorie consumption and insulin resistance. Fruits aren't magical that you can make them into a concentrated juice and you won't get fat no matter how much you drink.

Vegetable juices are worlds better than fruit juices because they aren't loaded with all the calories...even though vegetable juice....like fruit juice...is a poor substitute for actually eating the servings of fruits and vegetables you should have. The very processing to make juice(at least on a commercial level) rips out much of the health benefits of the base plant.

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I guess I will stick with beer.

That and 60 ounces of fruit juice will make you shit through a screen door. Beer much better.

[J Diddy]

Shortly thereafter they released the belief that sex sometimes leads to babies.

[BigRichard]

So what you are telling me is that if I intake more calories then I output then I get fat right? Thanks for the science there guys. JFC

[Silock]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

Actually the paper is saying that people got fatter(or at least expanded their waistlines) due to drinking ~16 oz of fruit juice a day.

Find me the paper. The article certainly implies that's what it said, but without the full study of what he was quoting, we're just playing a giant game of "Telephone" with regard to the content of the paper.

Fruit drinks may have some benefits from the vitamins/minerals but they are loaded with sugar.

So are a million other things. That's not the point.

The point isn't about avoiding fruit....the point is if you start to have discussions about taxing sugary drinks you can't just write exceptions for sugary drinks that you like.

I'm not. That's not at all what I said or what I'm getting at. I'm not making exceptions for anything. I'm simply saying that one thing isn't entirely bad nor is it really substantially different from the other in the long term.

The science and frankly the logic is there that anything liquid that is LOADED with simple sugars is going to contribute to excess calorie consumption and insulin resistance. Fruits aren't magical that you can make them into a concentrated juice and you won't get fat no matter how much you drink.

Key word: EXCESS calorie consumption.

This demonization of food and certain food groups is abso****inglutely OUT OF CONTROL.

I'll post this again, simply because it needs to be read. Even though it's mainly focused on HFCS, there's a lot of good info about other sugars and carbohydrates, as well.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/88/6/1716S.full

There is room in a person's diet for anything they want to have, whether that's soda, ice cream, fruit juice, pixie sticks or orange marmalade. It's all about portion control and understanding how these foods fit in to the larger picture of one's diet. I have serious issues with how this article/thread is worded because it assumes that soda is inherently bad for you and if fruit juice is as bad as soda, then it's inherently bad, too. That's just not true.

Overconsumption is bad. That's the devil. It's not the X food/drink.

[ghak99]

I'm constantly surprised by whatever label I read out of boredom when getting a glass of juice. I often end up wondering "was that really good for me" after slamming it like it's air and getting another glass because the first one did nothing for me.

Simple calorie math says it's not, but until recently I wasn't get much fruit any other way.