Spin-Off Thread - Why Isn't Berry Our Single-High Safety? - Page 2

Dante84 · 02-27-2014, 07:18 PM

Okay, he's a beast in the box. Murders RB's. Rushes the QB like a mother****er.

However.

We are talking about the NCAA record holder for most interception return yards of all time. He is STELLAR in coverage, everywhere, except sometimes when he is covering TE's..... because he's in the box. He also is a head hunter and would murder guys coming across the middle.

Why Not:
- Get a run-stuffing safety, who can cover the bigger, slower TE's well, and have Berry stay single high?
- And mix it up, so on situational plays where we want to use Berry's blitzing skills and have him rush, why not have a CB drop into the S position and have DJ slide over to cover the lesser-of-evil WR's that the CB abandoned?

TambaBerry · 02-27-2014, 10:18 PM

I wouldn't take any other player at berrys position the guy is an amazing player.

Jakemall · 02-27-2014, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dingleberry

I wouldn't take any other player at berrys position the guy is an amazing player.

He's a great player...the question is: Should he be moved back to FS and get a SS or leave him there and find a real FS.

I think with Berry it is kinda dealer's choice.

Dunerdr · 02-28-2014, 07:32 AM

I think he was rusty at it against the colts but I wouldn't be opposed to more of it let him get some time in get a natural feel for it again. But then again if he can take a good tight end out what's that worth to you?

htismaqe · 02-28-2014, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I think he was rusty at it against the colts but I wouldn't be opposed to more of it let him get some time in get a natural feel for it again. But then again if he can take a good tight end out what's that worth to you?

He can't take a good TE out. The rules don't allow it. Good TEs can't be covered man-to-man. You've got to scheme them into committing penalties, ala Tony G.

Chiefs=Champions · 02-28-2014, 08:08 AM

Berry is far more valuable to this defense in the role he plays. He fills a variety of roles that would normally take several players to fill. Its great for a defense scheme wise, as it allows them to hide what they are doing a lot better. If we had another player who could do it, im sure he would switch up between deep safety and in the box more often, but we just dont have that player atm.

Right now who would fill his role if he was to move? Abdullah is a possibility, but we simply don't have the linebackers or any one else that could cover his various roles. I think they target a rangey FS before they target someone to fill Berry's role, he simply too good at it.

I know people love the flashy FS types like Earl Thomas, but Chancellor is just as valuable to that defense as Thomas. We have our Chancellor, now we just need to find a step up from Lewis, which would be a lower end starting caliber safety...

Dunerdr · 02-28-2014, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He can't take a good TE out. The rules don't allow it. Good TEs can't be covered man-to-man. You've got to scheme them into committing penalties, ala Tony G.

Yeah but he can still hit them in the knee with a bat right?

OldSchool · 02-28-2014, 02:15 PM

If we drafted Telvin Smith, Berry could be moved back to FS.

KCrockaholic · 03-02-2014, 05:55 PM

Haha, Eric Berry is not too slow to play FS. I think it's more to do with the fact that coaches see his physical style, and know he can play in the box, so they use him there. What, was Kendrick Lewis supposed to play in the box? Not a chance. Demps? No way. Abdullah? He's not that kind of guy, IMO. He's an off the ball safety. We just haven't had somebody who could truly play SS other than Berry.

xztop123 · 03-03-2014, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Berry is far more valuable to this defense in the role he plays. He fills a variety of roles that would normally take several players to fill. Its great for a defense scheme wise, as it allows them to hide what they are doing a lot better. If we had another player who could do it, im sure he would switch up between deep safety and in the box more often, but we just dont have that player atm.

Right now who would fill his role if he was to move? Abdullah is a possibility, but we simply don't have the linebackers or any one else that could cover his various roles. I think they target a rangey FS before they target someone to fill Berry's role, he simply too good at it.

I know people love the flashy FS types like Earl Thomas, but Chancellor is just as valuable to that defense as Thomas. We have our Chancellor, now we just need to find a step up from Lewis, which would be a lower end starting caliber safety...

Thomas has a much harder job than Kam does. He is asked to cover an insane amount of ground on every play. The point that's being made here is that with the money and the high draft pick we spent on Berry, we should be getting our money's worth (at the absolute hardest position, as the Seahawks are doing with their high dollar player)

Kendrick Lewis is being asked to complete a harder task than Berry is. It doesn't make sense to ask a lesser player to do a harder task than a better player

Direckshun · 03-04-2014, 09:17 AM

Isn't it possible we're overrating Thomas because he never has to provide support to the side of the field that Sherman's shutting down?

xztop123 · 03-04-2014, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Isn't it possible we're overrating Thomas because he never has to provide support to the side of the field that Sherman's shutting down?

No, they are playing cover 3... there is def communication going on which helps but they are still funneling the play to Thomas (who has to cover the most amount of space on that entire D)

Mugsy · 03-07-2014, 07:49 AM

I don't think they have any plans of moving Berry for a number of reasons. It's like Reid said recently (combine interview?), he was the consensus All Pro Strong Safety. Why would you move a consensus all pro? Also, he closes on the running back faster than any safety in the game. You can't find that kind of talent anywhere. It's his best attribute.

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Dunerdr MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $-2820000	I think he was rusty at it against the colts but I wouldn't be opposed to more of it let him get some time in get a natural feel for it again. But then again if he can take a good tight end out what's that worth to you? __________________ Adopt-A-Chief- Rachel Santschi
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02-28-2014, 08:08 AM	#20
Chiefs=Champions Training Camp Hero Join Date: Oct 2006 Casino cash: $7974801	Berry is far more valuable to this defense in the role he plays. He fills a variety of roles that would normally take several players to fill. Its great for a defense scheme wise, as it allows them to hide what they are doing a lot better. If we had another player who could do it, im sure he would switch up between deep safety and in the box more often, but we just dont have that player atm. Right now who would fill his role if he was to move? Abdullah is a possibility, but we simply don't have the linebackers or any one else that could cover his various roles. I think they target a rangey FS before they target someone to fill Berry's role, he simply too good at it. I know people love the flashy FS types like Earl Thomas, but Chancellor is just as valuable to that defense as Thomas. We have our Chancellor, now we just need to find a step up from Lewis, which would be a lower end starting caliber safety...
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02-28-2014, 02:15 PM	#22
OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	If we drafted Telvin Smith, Berry could be moved back to FS.
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03-02-2014, 05:55 PM	#23
KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $3352900	Haha, Eric Berry is not too slow to play FS. I think it's more to do with the fact that coaches see his physical style, and know he can play in the box, so they use him there. What, was Kendrick Lewis supposed to play in the box? Not a chance. Demps? No way. Abdullah? He's not that kind of guy, IMO. He's an off the ball safety. We just haven't had somebody who could truly play SS other than Berry.
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03-04-2014, 09:17 AM	#25
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Isn't it possible we're overrating Thomas because he never has to provide support to the side of the field that Sherman's shutting down?
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03-07-2014, 07:49 AM	#27
Mugsy Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Casino cash: $10004900	I don't think they have any plans of moving Berry for a number of reasons. It's like Reid said recently (combine interview?), he was the consensus All Pro Strong Safety. Why would you move a consensus all pro? Also, he closes on the running back faster than any safety in the game. You can't find that kind of talent anywhere. It's his best attribute.
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