Chiefs Is this 2004 déjà vu? - Page 7

**BossChief** · 03-12-2014, 07:23 AM

It just seems like so far that's where this offseason is heading.

We have a good year and then in the offseason we spin our wheels/take steps back...while other teams in division are clearly bolstering their lineups.

I just feel like this is the offseason we need to make a push to put the pieces in place to win some playoff games and unless we add some serious pieces, we have a better chance at missing the playoffs all together.

This doesn't have much to do with day 1 free agency as it does the fact there has been no movement to try and create cap space by restructuring deals, no interest in the affordable signings and we let 3 quality OL walk in a year a division for is bolstering their pass rush and coverage units.

Just feels just like 2004, so far anyway.

Anyone else feel this way?

htismaqe · 03-12-2014, 10:32 AM

This conversation is REALLY going to become fun when they don't extend Alex Smith and everybody that was in the "we got our QB" camp realizes what that means.

**loochy** · 03-12-2014, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

sorry for being rude, but that's ignorant.

It probably is ignorant. I don't know a lot about that.

However, I don't bother getting my panties all in a bunch because there is absolutely nothing I can do about the situation.

**BossChief** · 03-12-2014, 10:37 AM

The Saints didnt have cap space....they were 20+million over the cap...but they signed Byrd.

The Broncos have lots of guys walk and found a way to sign 3 top tier difference makers in Ward, Talib and Ware.

The Chiefs have 60 million tied up in 5 players that could all be restructured to make that necessary push to compete with Denver and the rest of the teams in the AFC to try and you know.....try to actually win a title or at least have a shot at doing so.

They could EASILY clear up another 20 million in cap space and at least try to add some playmakers to help them get over the hump

keg in kc · 03-12-2014, 10:38 AM

They're doing it right. You don't win in free agency. You win in the draft.

'course that means they have to start drafting well at some point, but that's another thread.

BigRock · 03-12-2014, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

sorry for being rude, but that's ignorant.

It's not ignorant at all. Restructuring contracts pushes the money into later years. Which is well and good if the guy's going to be around, but 3 of the top 4 cap hits are Bowe, Hali, and Flowers. How many of those three do you see being on this team in two years? I say maybe one. I could see two of them not being here next year, depending on how their 2014 goes.

If you push money into future years on guys who aren't around for those future years, you end up with dead money. Even with the increases in the cap this year, teams with lots of dead money were having to cut guys off their roster just to free up cap space. So the cap increases aren't a magic elixir.

The bill will come due eventually. You want to push it back because you want gratification today. That's OK, but that doesn't mean it's a foolproof plan with no consequences.

htismaqe · 03-12-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

They're doing it right. You don't win in free agency. You win in the draft.

'course that means they have to start drafting well at some point, but that's another thread.

Exactly.

**BossChief** · 03-12-2014, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This conversation is REALLY going to become fun when they don't extend Alex Smith and everybody that was in the "we got our QB" camp realizes what that means.

Or when he signs a carbon copy deal of Tony Romos and that keeps us from continuing to bolster this roster and causes us to continue to have to let guys walk in free agency.

beach tribe · 03-12-2014, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Now there's some hope.

No reason for hope?

beach tribe · 03-12-2014, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And when they don't?

Jesus, why do you even watch?

**BossChief** · 03-12-2014, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

They're doing it right. You don't win in free agency. You win in the draft.

'course that means they have to start drafting well at some point, but that's another thread.

I've always been in the build through the draft group...but part of that strategy isn't to let your draft picks walk in free agency.

beach tribe · 03-12-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

They're doing it right. You don't win in free agency. You win in the draft.

'course that means they have to start drafting well at some point, but that's another thread.

That's a good point

beach tribe · 03-12-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I've always been in the build through the draft group...but part of that strategy isn't to let your draft picks walk in free agency.

Every team who drafts well has guys waiting in the wings and let's guy walk every. single. year.

keg in kc · 03-12-2014, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I've always been in the build through the draft group...but part of that strategy isn't to let your draft picks walk in free agency.

It's a new front office, so "their" draft picks start with Eric Fisher.

(sigh)

**BossChief** · 03-12-2014, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

It's not ignorant at all. Restructuring contracts pushes the money into later years. Which is well and good if the guy's going to be around, but 3 of the top 4 cap hits are Bowe, Hali, and Flowers. How many of those three do you see being on this team in two years? I say maybe one. I could see two of them not being here next year, depending on how their 2014 goes.

If you push money into future years on guys who aren't around for those future years, you end up with dead money. Even with the increases in the cap this year, teams with lots of dead money were having to cut guys off their roster just to free up cap space. So the cap increases aren't a magic elixir.

The bill will come due eventually. You want to push it back because you want gratification today. That's OK, but that doesn't mean it's a foolproof plan with no consequences.

Lets say you have been at your job for 4 years and have put in extra hours and have spent personal time learning the aspects of the jobs of those above you in your place of business.

During this time, you have been living in a very modest house that your family has outgrown.

You get informed by your employer that they are going to offer you a position that carries a pay increase of 30% over your already good rate.

One of the first things you do is contact a realtor to gauge the housing market, right?

ShowtimeSBMVP · 03-12-2014, 10:49 AM

It's March 12 people a lot of off-season left.

03-12-2014, 07:23 AM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1755912	Is this 2004 déjà vu? It just seems like so far that's where this offseason is heading. We have a good year and then in the offseason we spin our wheels/take steps back...while other teams in division are clearly bolstering their lineups. I just feel like this is the offseason we need to make a push to put the pieces in place to win some playoff games and unless we add some serious pieces, we have a better chance at missing the playoffs all together. This doesn't have much to do with day 1 free agency as it does the fact there has been no movement to try and create cap space by restructuring deals, no interest in the affordable signings and we let 3 quality OL walk in a year a division for is bolstering their pass rush and coverage units. Just feels just like 2004, so far anyway. Anyone else feel this way?
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BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1755912	The Saints didnt have cap space....they were 20+million over the cap...but they signed Byrd. The Broncos have lots of guys walk and found a way to sign 3 top tier difference makers in Ward, Talib and Ware. The Chiefs have 60 million tied up in 5 players that could all be restructured to make that necessary push to compete with Denver and the rest of the teams in the AFC to try and you know.....try to actually win a title or at least have a shot at doing so. They could EASILY clear up another 20 million in cap space and at least try to add some playmakers to help them get over the hump __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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