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ShowtimeSBMVP · 11:13 AM

Executives crying foul over Emmanuel Sanders deal

By Ian Rapoport NFL.com
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Published: March 16, 2014 at 12:05 a.m. Updated: March 16, 2014 at 12:19 a.m. 8 Likes | 2 Comments
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Emmanuel Sanders is expected to sign with the Broncos tomorrow, but the process that led him there left the other teams involved fuming and crying foul. One team official claimed Sanders' agent broke "every rule in negotiations."

Agent Steve Weinberg, on behalf of the receiver, accepted a deal with the Chiefs in principle, according to one team source. Weinberg then engaged in negotiations with the Tampa Bay Bucs, according to another source involved in the process.

While shopping the Chiefs offer to the Bucs, Weinberg never explained that he had already accepted the terms of Kansas City's offer. Later in the night, Sanders' agent had agreed to terms with the Broncos, which is where he is currently headed. Sanders and Weinberg also rankled the 49ers by agreeing to visit, then blowing it off.

"This was one of the worst situations in modern football negotiations," one executive involved said. "Totally wrong. This needs to be stopped."

Reached at his home late Saturday, Weinberg declined to comment on the record when informed of the allegations.

The Dallas-based agent was recently reinstated by the NFL Players Association, which had barred and decertified him in 2003 because it had reportedly found he diverted assets to an offshore account during a dispute with a partner and collecting a fee from a client prematurely. Weinberg later filed suit against the NFLPA and its top officials, alleging they illegally took away his certification for eight years, along with past, present and future income of clients.

Weinberg has two clients currently on NFL teams, not including Sanders. He had 42 before he was barred.

While Weinberg broke no laws in accepting a deal, the entire situation infuriated those he dealt with. It is commonly accepted in the league that once two sides agree to a deal -- in writing or in handshake form -- that's the end of the story. Instead, by Weinberg shopping the Chiefs deal and then not informing the Bucs that a deal had been reached showed another side of the business. It is unclear if the Broncos were aware of the previous actions.

"When a man gives you his words and pulls out," one executive said, "then gives another team your word and pulls out, then gives another team his word ... Not proper."

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thabear04 · 03-14-2014, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Yeah, I'm not saying you wrote it.

Whoever the **** Joe Soriano is just made that shit up I imagine based on just one vivid play where Sanders dropped the ball.

The stats from earlier show that Sanders has one of the lowest drop percentages in the league.

look like a young kid who doesnt know anything.

Mugsy · 03-14-2014, 08:27 PM

ChiefsandO'sfan , I can't quote links yet. I don't have enough posts.

Bowe pushed his court date back to January and then to early March. The playoffs are long gone and he's pushed it back again.

Why?

**Rausch** · 03-14-2014, 08:31 PM

No Sanders yet?...

ShowtimeSBMVP · 03-14-2014, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy

ChiefsandO'sfan , I can't quote links yet. I don't have enough posts.

Bowe pushed his court date back to January and then to early March. The playoffs are long gone and he's pushed it back again.

Why?

2nd time i don't think it was from Bowe's Camp.

**LoneWolf** · 03-14-2014, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy

It's starting to look that way imo. He's pushed his court date back 2 or 3 times now. My question is if he gets convicted, can the Chiefs void that contract? Given his past, I'm thinking there has got to be a clause in there.

I'd release him if we could. We might even be able to sign him back cheaper or restructure and force him to take a pay cut. We could still give him more than he would make elsewhere but save a bunch of dough.

It would give us a bunch of money.

He's not worth what he got.

We can't trade him with that contract.

I know you probably hate the idea but, Dorsey has got to be pissed about the way he played and then the fact that he got arrested after getting that contract. If he can void that contract, he might just do it.

Unless I'm completely mistaken, the NFL can't suspend Bowe. It is his first offense under the NFL's drug policy.

Mugsy · 03-14-2014, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

2nd time i don't think it was from Bowe's Camp.

Thanks, Good to know. Was it from the prosecution or the other suspect's lawyer?

Mugsy · 03-14-2014, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Unless I'm completely mistaken, the NFL can't suspend Bowe. It is his first offense under the NFL's drug policy.

He's already been suspended four games for steroids. I think that will count.

mcaj22 · 03-14-2014, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Unless I'm completely mistaken, the NFL can't suspend Bowe. It is his first offense under the NFL's drug policy.

wouldnt this be his 2nd?

**LoneWolf** · 03-14-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugsy

He's already been suspended four games for steroids. I think that will count.

Performance enhancing drugs and recreational drugs are under 2 completely different policies.

**LoneWolf** · 03-14-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

wouldnt this be his 2nd?

Nope.

**SAUTO** · 03-14-2014, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugsy

It's starting to look that way imo. He's pushed his court date back 2 or 3 times now. My question is if he gets convicted, can the Chiefs void that contract? Given his past, I'm thinking there has got to be a clause in there.

I'd release him if we could. We might even be able to sign him back cheaper or restructure and force him to take a pay cut. We could still give him more than he would make elsewhere but save a bunch of dough.

It would give us a bunch of money.

He's not worth what he got.

We can't trade him with that contract.

I know you probably hate the idea but, Dorsey has got to be pissed about the way he played and then the fact that he got arrested after getting that contract. If he can void that contract, he might just do it.

We know you hate him Bob. Just let it be
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ShowtimeSBMVP · 03-14-2014, 08:39 PM

Dwayne Bowe could face discipline for marijuana arrest under NFL substance-abuse policy. That program separate from 09 suspension for PED
— Ed Werder (@Edwerderespn) November 12, 2013

The NFL can punish repeat offenders differently so this is a key question.

Four years ago, Bowe was hit with a four-game ban for violating the PED policy. He said at the time that was due to a diuretic he accidentally took from his grandmother.

Despite that suspension in 2009, this is not a second offense for Bowe as far as those policies are concerned. His arrest for possession of marijuana falls under the substance abuse policy, which is separate.

**LoneWolf** · 03-14-2014, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Dwayne Bowe could face discipline for marijuana arrest under NFL substance-abuse policy. That program separate from 09 suspension for PED
— Ed Werder (@Edwerderespn) November 12, 2013

The NFL can punish repeat offenders differently so this is a key question.

Four years ago, Bowe was hit with a four-game ban for violating the PED policy. He said at the time that was due to a diuretic he accidentally took from his grandmother.

Despite that suspension in 2009, this is not a second offense for Bowe as far as those policies are concerned. His arrest for possession of marijuana falls under the substance abuse policy, which is separate.

By discipline, they mean he could enter stage 1 of the policy even though he hasn't flunked a drug test. There is a provision in the policy for behavior. Under the policy, he cannot be suspended.

mcaj22 · 03-14-2014, 08:42 PM

so you're saying Goddell can just be Goddell and make up some combination of a double whammy even though they are still two separate policies.

patteeu · 03-14-2014, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Proof that people who give a shit about drops when it comes to WRs are full of shit. There was a post just earlier in this thread claiming how phenomenal Sanders' hands are.

Why would these reports contradict each other?

The bottom line is that ALL ****ING WRS DROP PASSES.

Period.

Fans and reporters will see those drops in games, and for whatever reason, they'll harbor grudges at weird times for those drops.

But every goddamn WR does it. Jerry Rice did it. Calvin Johnson does it. AJ Green does it.

They. All. ****ing. Do. It.

So shut the **** up about dropped passes.

I'm looking at you, Blacktard.

FWIW, PFF's drop rate statistic (drops/catchable targets):

1. Larry Fitzgerald 1.2% (1 drop / 83 catchable)
10T. Marques Colston & Doug Baldwin 3.85% (3/78 and 2/52 respectively)
20. Rod Streater 6.25% (4/64)
30. Emanuel Sanders 6.94% (5/72)
41T. Kendall Wright, Riley Cooper & Eddie Royal 7.84% (8/102, 4/51, and 4/51 respectively)
50. Leonard Hankerson 9.09% (3/33)
60. A.J. Green 10.09% (11/109)
67T. Donnie Avery & 6 others 11.11% (5/45)
77. Dwayne Bowe 12.31% (8/65)

It turns out that you're right about AJ Green and Calvin Johnson (10.64%), but Larry Fitzgerald appears to have hands of glue.

03-13-2014, 06:39 PM
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1256009	WR Emmanuel Sanders signs with Denver - Executives cry foul Executives crying foul over Emmanuel Sanders deal By Ian Rapoport NFL.com NFL Media Insider Published: March 16, 2014 at 12:05 a.m. Updated: March 16, 2014 at 12:19 a.m. 8 Likes \| 2 Comments Email Print Read Discuss Emmanuel Sanders is expected to sign with the Broncos tomorrow, but the process that led him there left the other teams involved fuming and crying foul. One team official claimed Sanders' agent broke "every rule in negotiations." Agent Steve Weinberg, on behalf of the receiver, accepted a deal with the Chiefs in principle, according to one team source. Weinberg then engaged in negotiations with the Tampa Bay Bucs, according to another source involved in the process. While shopping the Chiefs offer to the Bucs, Weinberg never explained that he had already accepted the terms of Kansas City's offer. Later in the night, Sanders' agent had agreed to terms with the Broncos, which is where he is currently headed. Sanders and Weinberg also rankled the 49ers by agreeing to visit, then blowing it off. "This was one of the worst situations in modern football negotiations," one executive involved said. "Totally wrong. This needs to be stopped." Reached at his home late Saturday, Weinberg declined to comment on the record when informed of the allegations. The Dallas-based agent was recently reinstated by the NFL Players Association, which had barred and decertified him in 2003 because it had reportedly found he diverted assets to an offshore account during a dispute with a partner and collecting a fee from a client prematurely. Weinberg later filed suit against the NFLPA and its top officials, alleging they illegally took away his certification for eight years, along with past, present and future income of clients. Weinberg has two clients currently on NFL teams, not including Sanders. He had 42 before he was barred. While Weinberg broke no laws in accepting a deal, the entire situation infuriated those he dealt with. It is commonly accepted in the league that once two sides agree to a deal -- in writing or in handshake form -- that's the end of the story. Instead, by Weinberg shopping the Chiefs deal and then not informing the Bucs that a deal had been reached showed another side of the business. It is unclear if the Broncos were aware of the previous actions. "When a man gives you his words and pulls out," one executive said, "then gives another team your word and pulls out, then gives another team his word ... Not proper." Adam Schefter ✔ @AdamSchefter Follow Denver is giving former Steelers WR Emmanuel Sanders a 3-year, $15M contract. Team announced agreement. Last edited by ShowtimeSBMVP; 03-16-2014 at 11:13 AM..
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Mugsy Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Casino cash: $10004900	ChiefsandO'sfan , I can't quote links yet. I don't have enough posts. Bowe pushed his court date back to January and then to early March. The playoffs are long gone and he's pushed it back again. Why?
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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1256009	Dwayne Bowe could face discipline for marijuana arrest under NFL substance-abuse policy. That program separate from 09 suspension for PED — Ed Werder (@Edwerderespn) November 12, 2013 The NFL can punish repeat offenders differently so this is a key question. Four years ago, Bowe was hit with a four-game ban for violating the PED policy. He said at the time that was due to a diuretic he accidentally took from his grandmother. Despite that suspension in 2009, this is not a second offense for Bowe as far as those policies are concerned. His arrest for possession of marijuana falls under the substance abuse policy, which is separate.
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	so you're saying Goddell can just be Goddell and make up some combination of a double whammy even though they are still two separate policies.
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