Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

we still did next to nothing in free agency.

If we decided that all those guys weren't good enough then we should have replaced them in free agency. Our backups couldn't beat all those 'sucky' guys out of their starting jobs last year but now we expect them to be better than the guys they couldn't win a job from?

Regardless of how you want to spin it, last year and this year represent conflicting philosophies. Last year was a 'add talent wherever/whenever you can to win game'. This year is 'patiently build for the future and avoid spending big money on old guys'.

flip-flopping between philosophies is not a good idea, it almost always ends in failure.

Oh Laz, you poor, short sighted, deluded bastard.

What they did last year was to provide a foundation for the team under a new scheme, coaching staff and front office. They needed to get players in here immediately who could provide a platform from whence to build a new team from. Alex Smith, Mike DeVito and Sean Smith were guys we had to have. Cornerstone type guys.

At this point going forward, it's about team building as it should be - through the draft, getting the guys who fit your system the best, allowing them to grow as a cohesive unit and coalesce into a high level football team. Seattle, the Packers, the Eagles of the mid-Reid era all did this and this is what you are going to see now.

Signing stop gap, over priced, injured guys from the free agency wire is a horrible concept to team building. Look at what happened to the Chiefs during the Vermeil years, especially on the defensive side of the ball, when this was the prime philosophy.

We jettisoned four guys who were mediocre/marginal talents that really didn't fit the scheme we now have in place and they have all been replaced by guys who are, at the very worst, lateral moves.

I give credit to the new Chiefs FO/coaching staff for not taking the "quick fix" route and rather building as a team should be built or overpaying for mediocrity.

A+.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Oh Laz, you poor, short sighted, deluded bastard.

What they did last year was to provide a foundation for the team under a new scheme, coaching staff and front office. They needed to get players in here immediately who could provide a platform from whence to build a new team from. Alex Smith, Mike DeVito and Sean Smith were guys we had to have. Cornerstone type guys.

At this point going forward, it's about team building as it should be - through the draft, getting the guys who fit your system the best, allowing them to grow as a cohesive unit and coalesce into a high level football team. Seattle, the Packers, the Eagles of the mid-Reid era all did this and this is what you are going to see now.

Signing stop gap, over priced, injured guys from the free agency wire is a horrible concept to team building. Look at what happened to the Chiefs during the Vermeil years, especially on the defensive side of the ball, when this was the prime philosophy.

We jettisoned four guys who were mediocre/marginal talents that really didn't fit the scheme we now have in place and they have all been replaced by guys who are, at the very worst, lateral moves.

I give credit to the new Chiefs FO/coaching staff for not taking the "quick fix" route and rather building as a team should be built or overpaying for mediocrity.

A+.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Oh Laz, you poor, short sighted, deluded bastard.

What they did last year was to provide a foundation for the team under a new scheme, coaching staff and front office. They needed to get players in here immediately who could provide a platform from whence to build a new team from. Alex Smith, Mike DeVito and Sean Smith were guys we had to have. Cornerstone type guys.

At this point going forward, it's about team building as it should be - through the draft, getting the guys who fit your system the best, allowing them to grow as a cohesive unit and coalesce into a high level football team. Seattle, the Packers, the Eagles of the mid-Reid era all did this and this is what you are going to see now.

Signing stop gap, over priced, injured guys from the free agency wire is a horrible concept to team building. Look at what happened to the Chiefs during the Vermeil years, especially on the defensive side of the ball, when this was the prime philosophy.

We jettisoned four guys who were mediocre/marginal talents that really didn't fit the scheme we now have in place and they have all been replaced by guys who are, at the very worst, lateral moves.

I give credit to the new Chiefs FO/coaching staff for not taking the "quick fix" route and rather building as a team should be built or overpaying for mediocrity.

A+.

so you agree with me.

last year was a PR quick fix to keep SOC from flying planes over Arrowhead and now we are rebuilding

3-5 year plan while Charles,DJ,Flowers,Hali keep us from totally sucking

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

so you agree with me.

last year was a PR quick fix to keep SOC from flying planes over Arrowhead and now we are rebuilding

3-5 year plan while Charles,DJ,Flowers,Hali keep us from totally sucking

I don't think it was a PR move at all.

We needed a QB. There wasn't one in the draft that they liked and Smith was exactly what Reid was looking for in a QB - in fact, he tried to get him earlier when he was at the Eagles. Best potential QB signing of the past two drafts and free agency periods in fact. Pretty ****ing savvy move if you ask me.

Sean Smith was the best cornerback available that fit Sutton's press man scheme.

Mike DeVito was familiar with Sutton's defense and provided a relatively inexpensive long term solution to solidifying the defensive line.

The best players on the current Chiefs team are what they are - the best players on the current Chiefs team.

I think you are trying to read too much into this.

Thinking that going out and signing every ****ing guy possible in free agency is a good thing isn't a good thing. You don't win, especially win long term, with that type of plan.

[planetdoc]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't think it was a PR move at all.

I agree.

[Easy 6]

Until all of the in-house replacements prove themselves atleast AS good as the players that left, I've gotta go with a D.

Vance Walker kept it from being an F, his track record indicates much more ability to pressure the QB than Jackson had, we badly needed that from atleast one of the end spots.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Originally Posted by scott free

Until all of the in-house replacements prove themselves atleast AS good as the players that left, I've gotta go with a D.

Vance Walker kept it from being an F, his track record indicates much more ability to pressure the QB than Jackson had, we badly needed that from atleast one of the end spots.

Yeah. He played for that same raiders defense that let us put up 56 pts. Jackson was pretty good against the run, and crappy against the pass, all chiefs did was flip it. Vance freaking walker still would keep it an F-.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

Yeah. He played for that same raiders defense that let us put up 56 pts. Jackson was pretty good against the run, and crappy against the pass, all chiefs did was flip it. Vance freaking walker still would keep it an F-.

Actually. Walker is known for being a run stuffer. The fact that he's a better rusher than T Jax is just icing.

[ForeverChiefs58]

Vance Walker last year had 3 sacks (career high before- 3), 29 tackles (career high before-21) and 11 ast. (career high before-11), has played 5 yrs in NFL

Tyson Jackson last year had 4 sacks (career high before-3) 24 tackles (career high before- 37) and 9 ast (career high before-18), has played 5 yrs in NFL



Eleven 3-4 defensive ends got more pressure in 2013 than Jackson has generated in five years in Kansas City. He has posted just 38 pressures in his pro career. To put that into some perspective, J.J. Watt notched 85 last season alone, more than twice as many.

Vance Walker totaled 41 pressures – or three more than Jackson has in his entire career – for the Raiders in 2013

Jackson’s 38 career pressures statistic provided on average 0.5 quarterback pressures per game over his career in Kansas City (74 games).

It is virtually impossible for the Chiefs to get less pass rush production from Jackson’s spot on the defensive line. But pretty tough to get excited about his replacment

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

Yeah. He played for that same raiders defense that let us put up 56 pts. Jackson was pretty good against the run, and crappy against the pass, all chiefs did was flip it. Vance freaking walker still would keep it an F-.

We may well have just broken even, but you cant solely blame Walker for a 50 burger... I don't see him as some huge upgrade, but these days gimme the better pass pressure over run prowess, I still think he puts us in a better spot at DE.