Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Well, we don't need only a FS, that much is clear.

OTWP said it best when he noted that we let a lot of marginal players walk. Cool. The problem is that the Chiefs, seemingly, are expecting players who could not unseat said marginal talent last year to carry the water in 2014.

That's unsettling, assuming that logic is allowed in the room.

On the offensive side, with respect to free agency, you better damn well believe that I think the entire complexion of the offense changes if the organization signs D. Jackson.

Huge, huge, huge ****ing mistake not to have made that a reality. People who say otherwise are wrong. Simple as that.

I don't think you can say that at this point. Is imagine Reid would know better than anyone about the guy, and if e didn't push hard for him (and it was rumored there weren't as many suitors as it was made out to be) I'll take his judgement there.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'll take his judgement there.

fallacious appeal to authority?

boy that's a new one!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Well, we don't need only a FS, that much is clear.

OTWP said it best when he noted that we let a lot of marginal players walk. Cool. The problem is that the Chiefs, seemingly, are expecting players who could not unseat said marginal talent last year to carry the water in 2014.

That's unsettling, assuming that logic is allowed in the room.

On the offensive side, with respect to free agency, you better damn well believe that I think the entire complexion of the offense changes if the organization signs D. Jackson.

Huge, huge, huge ****ing mistake not to have made that a reality. People who say otherwise are wrong. Simple as that.

Jackson would have made us better. Byrd too. No doubt.

Do I think this an offense that can win with shootouts? No. Am I firm believer I quality depth. You bet I am.

And again, no I don't believe for a second that comments like the one about the free safety are not strongly hinting that a free safety makes us serious contenders.

[tk13]

I think just the overall reduction in depth is the most concerning thing. I was never that concerned about losing out on DeSean Jackson. A lot of times people overrate FA WRs. A good GM can find productive WR's outside the 1st round of the draft. That should not be the end of the world.

It's kind of strange in a way. We've seen over and over again that good defenses win. We just watched a great defense dismantle the highest scoring offense ever to win a title. Meanwhile, our defense got completely gashed at Greg Robinson levels the entire second half of the season, then put forth one of the worst 2nd half defensive performances ever in the playoffs... but everyone's still obsessed with offense, and the thing people get most upset about is losing out on a WR. This board's obsession with offense is probably it's biggest downfall. This team needs more pass rushers. And a free safety that can actually cover deep.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by tk13

I think just the overall reduction in depth is the most concerning thing. I was never that concerned about losing out on DeSean Jackson. A lot of times people overrate FA WRs. A good GM can find productive WR's outside the 1st round of the draft. That should not be the end of the world.

It's kind of strange in a way. We've seen over and over again that good defenses win. We just watched a great defense dismantle the highest scoring offense ever to win a title. Meanwhile, our defense got completely gashed at Greg Robinson levels the entire second half of the season, then put forth one of the worst 2nd half defensive performances ever in the playoffs... but everyone's still obsessed with offense, and the thing people get most upset about is losing out on a WR. This board's obsession with offense is probably it's biggest downfall. This team needs more pass rushers. And a free safety that can actually cover deep.

While you're right that a top-10 defense and a franchise QB (wonder what that's like?) is the equation, you cannot possibly claim that Jackson wasn't a high-impact FA, the likes of which rarely get cut lose in their prime.

It's not a hyper-focus on offense as much as it's a reaction to the reality of the FA market this year. At least that's my perspective.

[Eleazar]

You don't really know how a free agent WR is going to do on a new team. That position more than almost any other can vary production with a change of scenery.

The most important thing is that Andy Reid worked with Jackson for his entire NFL career, and didn't sign him. Maybe there is a reason for that. I trust his judgement when it comes to a player he knows very well.

In any case, Jackson was going to be paid way over his value. I don't blame them for throwing their hat in the ring and then seeing the market price and saying "not worth it"

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Cochise

I trust his judgement .

NFL coaches and execs are not to be questioned.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Cochise

You don't really know how a free agent WR is going to do on a new team. That position more than almost any other can vary production with a change of scenery.

The most important thing is that Andy Reid worked with Jackson for his entire NFL career, and didn't sign him. Maybe there is a reason for that. I trust his judgement when it comes to a player he knows very well.

In any case, Jackson was going to be paid way over his value. I don't blame them for throwing their hat in the ring and then seeing the market price and saying "not worth it"

Except he wasn't.

[DeezNutz]

And if Reid and Dorsey looked at that price and said "not worth it," they're dumb as ****.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tk13

I think just the overall reduction in depth is the most concerning thing. I was never that concerned about losing out on DeSean Jackson. A lot of times people overrate FA WRs. A good GM can find productive WR's outside the 1st round of the draft. That should not be the end of the world.

It's kind of strange in a way. We've seen over and over again that good defenses win. We just watched a great defense dismantle the highest scoring offense ever to win a title. Meanwhile, our defense got completely gashed at Greg Robinson levels the entire second half of the season, then put forth one of the worst 2nd half defensive performances ever in the playoffs... but everyone's still obsessed with offense, and the thing people get most upset about is losing out on a WR. This board's obsession with offense is probably it's biggest downfall. This team needs more pass rushers. And a free safety that can actually cover deep.

I agree. We need depth and that can be built through the draft. I seriously can't believe how many people spend months complaining about taking offensive linemen, then get list about not spending 5 mil on a guard. If this becomes a strategy where we stop overpaying offensive linemen the awesome. But I'm fully prepared for us to do something stupid like drafting a guard in the first

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Cochise

You don't really know how a free agent WR is going to do on a new team. That position more than almost any other can vary production with a change of scenery.

Yeah relying on the draft for an instant impact WR who can start immediately is the safer way to go… signed Jon Baldwin.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

fallacious appeal to authority?

boy that's a new one!

This always cracks me up.

What authority do they have over me? They aren't affecting my income or anything if the such. They aren't making laws.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And if Reid and Dorsey looked at that price and said "not worth it," they're dumb as ****.

Seeing as how good of a player he is, and his previous connections to Reid if they balked at that price, something had to be going on

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by O.city

something had to be going on

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by O.city

Seeing as how good of a player he is, and his previous connections to Reid if they balked at that price, something had to be going on

Indeed. Executives are never just ****ing flat out, fall on their faces wrong. Shit, I've been following the Chiefs for years, so I know this is the truth.

No one knows Jackson/Cassel/Hill better than Reid/Pioli/Marty...

Nothing was "going on" except the fact that Hunt wouldn't write a ****ing check to work around the cap. If not this, then "what was going on" is that the leaders of this team are ****ing stupid.