Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

[milkman]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

I put all the blame of the 2nd half of the season on sutton. He did everthing wrong, from not rotating players on the line to not benching lewis. Flowers must be playing with injury most of the season because it was a down year for him. If anyone should be able to play off a receiver it should have been him, with the tampa 2 scheme he was brought into by Herm. Now th FO doesn't address the need for FS, but elect to resign abbdulah who they thought wasnt good enough to take lewis spot after lewis is exposed. Sutton just sat idle with him week after week. **** him! At least we would have thrown abbdulah in there we would know if the guy is actually capable of playing FS.

There are mistakes here.

Brandon Flowers has always excelled playing a physical style at the snap, whether he was lining up in man, or dropping in zone.
On the flip side, he has never been nearly as effective playing off in either.

As for Abdullah, I think the assumption that he was re-signed to compete for that FS spot is wrong.

He was re-signed to man SS in the sub packages so that Berry can continue to drop down into the box in the safety/ILB hybrid spot.

If you want to argue that is poor usage of Berry, I would entertain that argument and agree.

As bad as Lewis was, the reality is that there wasn't any other safety on. This roster, other than Berry, that has the skillset to play that spot.

Sadly, he was the best of bad choices.

I can certainly agree with the critisism of Sutton's failure to use the bench, since I was about the first to level that critisism early in the season.

[dannybcaitlyn]

[QUOTE=htismaqe;10542878]Andy Reid is the head coach. You can't blame Sutton for not benching Lewis and not implicitly also blame Reid.[/QUOT

True, Reid should also get blame for not overriding some of suttons decisions. I just don't know how much Reid puts his hands on the defensive side. Is he really involved on that side? If he is, does it really matter? I mean Reid is the guy who put a dam o-line coach into a d-cordinator role in philly. Maybe it will work out, but if our D starts out like it finished were ****ed!

[michaelj_58]

that 28 point lead and to lose like that was


a hard thing to swallow!!!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

That's because people still don't understand the difference (or perhaps don't care to because it shits on the Chiefs) between cap and cash.

You don't attract free agents by having a bunch of cap space. You attract them with upfront cash money. That doesn't always necessarily hit the cap in the first year of the contract.

The Chiefs have always been one of those teams reluctant to spend the cash. Considering the amount the Hunts spent last offseason, this year isn't surprising.

Well now people are saying it the right way.

Disagree with the chiefs cap management. I don't like what they did last year either. But it's not because the chiefs are cheap. They just have a more conservative cap philosophy than some agree with. People were acting like other teams with bigger pockets are able to afford to spend more. Everybody plays by the same cap and every dollar spent counts against the cap at some point.

[GloryDayz]

Many great points in the last few posts. Perhaps all of them defensible, but in the end we're explaining away another lost opportunity.

I suspect 4/6/2015 we'll be doing much of the same thing with slight shade adjustments. Next year they'll be "building through the draft" (again), but will be telling us all how difficult the 2014 schedule was. That after saying that the less-difficult schedule of 2013 had nothing to do with their "success".

So debate away about the nitty gritty, debate the color of the uniform and how tight to torque the cleats, but in the end I doubt on 4/6/2015 we'll be basking in the glory of a super bowl win, we'll be hearing (again) about how cap space kept us from picking up studs in FA, and how that's not our style anyway.

So I'm not mad, I'm just noting that the beat goes on even if the drummers and conductor(s) have been replaced.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by milkman

There are mistakes here.

Brandon Flowers has always excelled playing a physical style at the snap, whether he was lining up in man, or dropping in zone.
On the flip side, he has never been nearly as effective playing off in either.

As for Abdullah, I think the assumption that he was re-signed to compete for that FS spot is wrong.

He was re-signed to man SS in the sub packages so that Berry can continue to drop down into the box in the safety/ILB hybrid spot.

If you want to argue that is poor usage of Berry, I would entertain that argument and agree.

As bad as Lewis was, the reality is that there wasn't any other safety on. This roster, other than Berry, that has the skillset to play that spot.

Sadly, he was the best of bad choices.

I can certainly agree with the critisism of Sutton's failure to use the bench, since I was about the first to level that critisism early in the season.

If the playoff game is any indication, you've got Abdullah and Berry switched up in subsets.

According to Sorter that is.

But we all know how fickle he can be, all with his 3-3-7 sets and a

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Well now people are saying it the right way.

Disagree with the chiefs cap management. I don't like what they did last year either. But it's not because the chiefs are cheap. They just have a more conservative cap philosophy than some agree with. People were acting like other teams with bigger pockets are able to afford to spend more. Everybody plays by the same cap and every dollar spent counts against the cap at some point.

Seriously man, you're playing semantics. Conservative could easily be construed as cheap. You're trying to straddle the fence and it's obvious.

[O.city]

What was our cash spending this year? I don't remember ever seeing that.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

It is embarrassing for a team to give up 35 ppg the 2nd half of the year with 7 pro bowl quality guys on defense.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Many great points in the last few posts. Perhaps all of them defensible, but in the end we're explaining away another lost opportunity.

I suspect 4/6/2015 we'll be doing much of the same thing with slight shade adjustments. Next year they'll be "building through the draft" (again), but will be telling us all how difficult the 2014 schedule was. That after saying that the less-difficult schedule of 2013 had nothing to do with their "success".

So debate away about the nitty gritty, debate the color of the uniform and how tight to torque the cleats, but in the end I doubt on 4/6/2015 we'll be basking in the glory of a super bowl win, we'll be hearing (again) about how cap space kept us from picking up studs in FA, and how that's not our style anyway.

So I'm not mad, I'm just noting that the beat goes on even if the drummers and conductor(s) have been replaced.

Phisophically, I agree with the build through the draft approach.

However, I can not support the mixed approach that the two off seasons have entailed.

Building through the draft behind trading two premium picks for a 29 year old QB is limiting any potential window.

When the pieces you are adding in this draft are ready, Smith and other pieces you already have in place will be hitting the end of their windows.

These contradictory moves are almost assuredly setting this franchise up for an endless cycle of mediocrity.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by milkman

Phisophically, I agree with the build through the draft approach.

However, I can not support the mixed approach that the two off seasons have entailed.

Building through the draft behind trading two premium picks for a 29 year old QB is limiting any potential window.

When the pieces you are adding in this draft are ready, Smith and other pieces you already have in place will be hitting the end of their windows.

These contradictory moves are almost assuredly setting this franchise up for an endless cycle of mediocrity.

Rep! Exactly the case... If you choose to "build through the draft," dont take the "win now" approach and trade TWO early draft picks the year before... The contradictory approaches of last season to this one makes it easy to believe that it was all about filling the seats last season.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by milkman

Phisophically, I agree with the build through the draft approach.

However, I can not support the mixed approach that the two off seasons have entailed.

Building through the draft behind trading two premium picks for a 29 year old QB is limiting any potential window.

When the pieces you are adding in this draft are ready, Smith and other pieces you already have in place will be hitting the end of their windows.

These contradictory moves are almost assuredly setting this franchise up for an endless cycle of mediocrity.

To be fair, you could easily get 5 more solid seasons from Alex.

I think the dislike for last year's QB class matches their affinity for Alex.

I'd love to believe that if Luck were available a year ago, he'd be a Chief.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Douche Baggins

That's because people still don't understand the difference (or perhaps don't care to because it shits on the Chiefs) between cap and cash.

You don't attract free agents by having a bunch of cap space. You attract them with upfront cash money. That doesn't always necessarily hit the cap in the first year of the contract.

The Chiefs have always been one of those teams reluctant to spend the cash. Considering the amount the Hunts spent last offseason, this year isn't surprising.

This.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Disagree with the chiefs cap management. I don't like what they did last year either. But it's not because the chiefs are cheap. They just have a more conservative cap philosophy than some agree with.

Obviously the Chiefs conservative cap philosophy doesn't work.

Zero playoff wins in 20 years and in the last 15 years they have made the playoffs, on average once every 3-4 years.

The Chiefs conservative philosophy does not equal sustained success because they are in constant rebuilding, building for the future mode.

At some point it has to be the Chiefs time to win now… in the present.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

you're lucky if you can get anything meaningful out of them in the first two years. I'm not sure everyone realizes just how much of an exception bowe's early success was. We'd be fortunate to get 2/3 of that out of a late first pick now, not to mention a 3rd or later. Course even if we did get that we fickle-ass fans would find some goofy reason to run him out of town in 5 years.

Best chance we probably have left is that someone already on the roster breaks out. No clue who that might be, of course...

Just imagine if Bowe had a brain and didn't suffer with ADD of the hands on 3rd down ?