Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I really don't see that happening. The Hunts have a long history of keeping their own. Of course there are a few exceptions. But for the most part, they are loyal to their own. Ted Thompson also comes from that school. I would be stunned if we don't keep Houston, Hali, Flowers, Berry, and Alex Smith. What I don't want is to be the usual Chiefs and over promise stuff to these guys to the point where we overpay them when they're past their prime.

He's not past his prime, but the contract they gave Bowe is the definition of over-promise/under-deliver.

[Mecca]

Also the Packers get rid of guys all the time, they've kept a handful of guys.

They paid Rodgers and Matthews and uh yea nobody else.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's lose lose, if you're talking about our team's history.

Yeah, it is.

Which is why it's so astounding that people think being negative is something people have to TRY to be.

This team's history puts it in the same discussion with the Lions, Browns, Bengals, and Jets.

People being "down" on the team's chances shouldn't be a big ****ing shock.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

So you think that Hali, Flowers and Berry are going to willingly take serious pay cuts to stay because that's what you're saying.

I don't expect Berry to take a serious pay cut.

I would hope that with Hali and Flowers that we wouldn't even think to negotiate a 3rd contract the same way we would their second contract. But no, I don't expect the Chiefs to be cheapskates about it. Given Hunt's history of loyalty and the way that Dorsey has overpaid for a lot of his players so far.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't expect Berry to take a serious pay cut.

I would hope that with Hali and Flowers that we wouldn't even think to negotiate a 3rd contract the same way we would their second contract. But no, I don't expect the Chiefs to be cheapskates about it. Given Hunt's history of loyalty and the way that Dorsey has overpaid for a lot of his players so far.

I expect the Houston deal to have similar ramifications as the Derrick Thomas deal.

Don't forget, they gave Thomas a near-record contract, allowing Neal Smith to make it to free agency, where he ultimately signed with the Broncos and won a ring.

They're not going to keep them all.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't expect Berry to take a serious pay cut.

I would hope that with Hali and Flowers that we wouldn't even think to negotiate a 3rd contract the same way we would their second contract. But no, I don't expect the Chiefs to be cheapskates about it. Given Hunt's history of loyalty and the way that Dorsey has overpaid for a lot of his players so far.

Ok well then we're always going to be starting from behind then. Flowers has always had injury issues they're only going to get worse as he ages. Hali is showing signs of his age also. I don't think they're terrible or anything like that but they are both highly paid for their ages and where their production is likely to go.

Eric Berry for as good as he is, doesn't deserve to be the highest paid safety in the NFL. A guy who spends most of his time as a 4th LB is frankly a waste to be paid that much. You can find guys for a quarter of the price who can do that.

If you overpay those guys to keep them you're doing nothing but keeping them out of sentimental reasons than what is best for the team.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah, it is.

Which is why it's so astounding that people think being negative is something people have to TRY to be.

This team's history puts it in the same discussion with the Lions, Browns, Bengals, and Jets.

People being "down" on the team's chances shouldn't be a big ****ing shock.

I don't blame people for knocking on the draft strategy. As I've always said, our history and the 2013 draft shouldn't inspire a ton of confidence. But let me ask you this… why is it then okay for people to say that the band aid approach is any more likely to work than a draft first strategy, given that both approaches have been used by the Chiefs and failed miserably?

[Mecca]

Oh and I even forgot to mention if the team is doing what it's suppose to, Charles and Derrick Johnson are about done here too.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't blame people for knocking on the draft strategy. As I've always said, our history and the 2013 draft shouldn't inspire a ton of confidence. But let me ask you this… why is it then okay for people to say that the band aid approach is any more likely to work than a draft first strategy, given that both approaches have been used by the Chiefs and failed miserably?

More likely to work?

Or more consistent with what they did last year?

I've said all along, I'm fine with building through the draft. I'm fine with using primarily free agency.

What I'm not fine with is not having a consistent plan.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok well then we're always going to be starting from behind then. Flowers has always had injury issues they're only going to get worse as he ages. Hali is showing signs of his age also. I don't think they're terrible or anything like that but they are both highly paid for their ages and where their production is likely to go.

Eric Berry for as good as he is, doesn't deserve to be the highest paid safety in the NFL. A guy who spends most of his time as a 4th LB is frankly a waste to be paid that much. You can find guys for a quarter of the price who can do that.

If you overpay those guys to keep them you're doing nothing but keeping them out of sentimental reasons than what is best for the team.

Trust me, I've been banging that drum loud when it comes to Hali and Flowers. Which is why it bothers me when people keep throwing out the "we should restructure their contracts" nonsense. Restructuring contracts prematurely means loading a ton of signing bonus on aging players. That's the shit people aren't accounting for. They act like if we just move cap dollars around, we suffer no future consequence. The big consequence is it's stuff like this that gets you locked into bad contracts with players where you can't cut a player when they start to decline.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

More likely to work?

Or more consistent with what they did last year?

I've said all along, I'm fine with building through the draft. I'm fine with using primarily free agency.

What I'm not fine with is not having a consistent plan.

I've heard that argument many times. I get why they did it and personally think we can adjust our strategy, but understand why some people don't like it. I've also never heard you exaggerate how good you think this team is, as if 1 or 2 players magically fixes most of our problems. And I don't think I've heard you suggest that we can magically move dollars around without suffering the consequence later. Those are the parts I have a problem with. If anyone is going to support the all-in approach, let's not exaggerate how good we actually are and let's not act like we can magically move dollars around without paying for it later.

[Discuss Thrower]

Well if they're not good enough to compete this year they probably won't be good enough the next season.

Tear it down John. Trade anything not bolted down and stockpile draft picks. Let's go all in for 2017.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Well if they're not good enough to compete this year they probably won't be good enough the next season.

Tear it down John. Trade anything not bolted down and stockpile draft picks. Let's go all in for 2017.

You really can't do that. Salary floor?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BCD

You really can't do that. Salary floor?

Trading someone like Bowl would accelerate his hit if I'm not mistaken.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Well if they're not good enough to compete this year they probably won't be good enough the next season.

Tear it down John. Trade anything not bolted down and stockpile draft picks. Let's go all in for 2017.

How do you figure? We can get comp picks that will probably bring us to 16 or 17 picks in 2 years. If we extend Houston, Alex Smith, and Berry this season, we won't have anybody to worry about losing. And Hali and Flowers are two guys we can probably restructure.

From there, we will have a lot more flexibility to actually make a free agent run in 2015. 2 good drafts and some quality free agents next year would easily make us a legit team.