Chiefs Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA. - Page 38

Discuss Thrower · 04-07-2014, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

How do you figure? We can get comp picks that will probably bring us to 16 or 17 picks in 2 years. If we extend Houston, Alex Smith, and Berry this season, we won't have anybody to worry about losing. And Hali and Flowers are two guys we can probably restructure.

From there, we will have a lot more flexibility to actually make a free agent run in 2015. 2 good drafts and some quality free agents next year would easily make us a legit team.

Houston is the only one worth paying for, and I have a feeling he won't do something Jared Allen-esque to **** up his value so he should be able to get stupid money in FA.

Wiser to let him walk.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-07-2014, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Houston is the only one worth paying for, and I have a feeling he won't do something Jared Allen-esque to **** up his value so he should be able to get stupid money in FA.

Wiser to let him walk.

Good. Pay stupid money to true playmakers like Houston. And pay good coin to someone like Berry. If our strategy changes from overpaying Guards and 5-techniques and more toward these kinds of players, that's a great thing.

Discuss Thrower · 04-07-2014, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Good. Pay stupid money to true playmakers like Houston. And pay good coin to someone like Berry. If our strategy changes from overpaying Guards and 5-techniques and more toward these kinds of players, that's a great thing.

What if Houston wants Mario Williams money?

chiefzilla1501 · 04-07-2014, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

What if Houston wants Mario Williams money?

Paying top coin for a 25 year old stud pass rusher? Of course I would.

Also, he won't get Mario Williams money. 3-4 OLBs have surprisingly more reasonable contracts.

Discuss Thrower · 04-07-2014, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Paying top coin for a 25 year old stud pass rusher? Of course I would.

Also, he won't get Mario Williams money. 3-4 OLBs have surprisingly more reasonable contracts.

Once Sutton is gone KC might not run a 3-4 though..

keg in kc · 04-07-2014, 01:24 PM

Houston is too valuable not to keep, and is only going to become moreso. You pay whatever it takes.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-07-2014, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Once Sutton is gone KC might not run a 3-4 though..

I think that would be a really terrible shame if the Chiefs ditched the 3-4 given our personnel. And I'd be shocked if we did.

**The Franchise** · 04-07-2014, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think that would be a really terrible shame if the Chiefs ditched the 3-4 given our personnel. And I'd be shocked if we did.

Exactly what would we lose out on....personnel wise? Houston can play DE in a 4-3. Poe is a damn good fit in a 4-3.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-07-2014, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Exactly what would we lose out on....personnel wise? Houston can play DE in a 4-3. Poe is a damn good fit in a 4-3.

If your stud players have shown they're great fits for a 3-4, then build your defense around that. I'm sure those guys could be successful, but not even close to a guarantee that they'll be as good in a different role. We don't need to Pioli this thing and force a defensive approach that we can't guarantee will match the personnel.

**The Franchise** · 04-07-2014, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If your stud players have shown they're great fits for a 3-4, then build your defense around that. I'm sure those guys could be successful, but not even close to a guarantee that they'll be as good in a different role. We don't need to Pioli this thing and force a defensive approach that we can't guarantee will match the personnel.

We don't run the 3-4 100% of the time.

chiefzilla1501 · 04-07-2014, 02:04 PM

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We don't run the 3-4 100% of the time.

I get that. i'm not 100% opposed to a defensive change. But I hope there would be a really good reason behind it. My personal dream would be for Rex Ryan to get fired and then hired here, but I think that's a pipe dream. I just think this team has too long a history of hiring defensive coordinators who refuse to adapt the scheme to fit the players. In this case, we actually have a good scheme, but the DC has been pretty iffy about running it.

keg in kc · 04-07-2014, 02:29 PM

The further that Rex (or any other) Ryan stays from here the better.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-07-2014, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Trading someone like Bowl would accelerate his hit if I'm not mistaken.

No one would trade for his contract.

mcaj22 · 04-07-2014, 04:38 PM

I've been kicking the 4-3 change tires for awhile

Two different styles of the 34 defense now, and they still don't have the right personnel to play it in pass happy league and they go right to nickel/dime 50 percent of the time anyway so **** it.

34 defense was good for all of 9 games (last year) in 5 years of it being installed in the Chiefs defense. A switch to the 43 would keep them from drafting shitty 5 techs and signing even shittier ILB thumpers that cant do anything. And it would maybe have Eric Berry play back more.

**The Franchise** · 04-07-2014, 04:42 PM

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I've been kicking the 4-3 change tires for awhile

Two different styles of the 34 defense now, and they still don't have the right personnel to play it in pass happy league and they go right to nickel/dime 50 percent of the time anyway so **** it.

34 defense was good for all of 9 games (last year) in 5 years of it being installed in the Chiefs defense. A switch to the 43 would keep them from drafting shitty 5 techs and signing even shittier ILB thumpers that cant do anything.

Switching to the 4-3 really wouldn't be killing anything of value on our team (at least IMO).

Houston - Poe - DeVito/Walker - Catapano: That defensive line is stout against the run and I believe that Houston is just fine with his hand in the dirt.

Our biggest need would become LBs. DJ could either man the Mike spot or move over to the Weak LB spot. So you're looking at filling the SLB and MLB spots....either of which could be manned by someone this season.

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