Gas on the Fire: Shutdown Corner Gives Chiefs "F" in FA.

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[O.city]

Someone brought this up on twitter, made a lot of sense to me. Here in KC, we haven't ever drafted really well, we as fans focus a lot of the problem being based on scouting etc.

However, very few guys come into the league and dominate from day 1, or even consistently play well. Seems we should be more focused on development of said players.

Which brings me to my point, I don't think we've ever had the right setup for sustained success in acquisition and development of players.

Marty's staff were good/great developers, Carl wasn't very good in the draft. Same wth vermeil.

I don't know what was going on with pioli, likely neither.

We can hope this front office and coaching staff can successfully match up. I think te coaching staff has proven to be able to develop players, don't know about the acquisition part yet.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Someone brought this up on twitter, made a lot of sense to me. Here in KC, we haven't ever drafted really well, we as fans focus a lot of the problem being based on scouting etc.

However, very few guys come into the league and dominate from day 1, or even consistently play well. Seems we should be more focused on development of said players.

Which brings me to my point, I don't think we've ever had the right setup for sustained success in acquisition and development of players.

Marty's staff were good/great developers, Carl wasn't very good in the draft. Same wth vermeil.

I don't know what was going on with pioli, likely neither.

We can hope this front office and coaching staff can successfully match up. I think te coaching staff has proven to be able to develop players, don't know about the acquisition part yet.

Thought this was a great comment:

REID: “Listen, I’m not a huge free agency guy. I don’t think you build a team that way. I think you build it through a draft. There are so many elements that go into a player actually fitting into your program and being successful, that if you get them right when they’re peaking in that system and then you disrupt that and move them on to another system, that can be tough. So, the percentage has dropped, the success rate has dropped. I think you spot a guy here or there. Then you have the other element that it has the chance to disrupt your locker room. This guy has been with me for ten years and is making X amount and then all of the sudden you bring in a free agent who might be as good, but maybe not as good, and you’re paying him way up here and all of the sudden you have this whiff that goes on in the locker room. I think you have to be real, real careful on who you bring in and how you do it.”

It adds some really interesting color to what the Chiefs did last year. Maybe last year's big push had a lot to do with Reid wanting to get his locker room right. After all, the entire locker room was new to him, so maybe he wanted to make sure he had a lot more of his guys in there. It would explain why he got rid of Eric Winston and Cassel really, really quickly.

So it goes back to your post, which was great by the way. We know Andy can develop talent. We know this approach works, because it worked in Green Bay and Seattle. Some of us, myself included, are worried about Andy making the right coaching decisions to win us big game. Many of us justifiably worry that Dorsey's lukewarm first offseason is a sign of things to come. But I think what's becoming extremely obvious is that this offseason says a lot more about how Reid and Dorsey want to do things than last season.

[suzzer99]

In a strange twist of fate here's another buddy of mine (both in LA) who met Cassel and hung out with him. This buddy is actually a Chiefs fan.

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Well if they're not good enough to compete this year they probably won't be good enough the next season.

Tear it down John. Trade anything not bolted down and stockpile draft picks. Let's go all in for 2017.

Oh for ****s sake

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Thought this was a great comment:



It adds some really interesting color to what the Chiefs did last year. Maybe last year's big push had a lot to do with Reid wanting to get his locker room right. After all, the entire locker room was new to him, so maybe he wanted to make sure he had a lot more of his guys in there. It would explain why he got rid of Eric Winston and Cassel really, really quickly.

So it goes back to your post, which was great by the way. We know Andy can develop talent. We know this approach works, because it worked in Green Bay and Seattle. Some of us, myself included, are worried about Andy making the right coaching decisions to win us big game. Many of us justifiably worry that Dorsey's lukewarm first offseason is a sign of things to come. But I think what's becoming extremely obvious is that this offseason says a lot more about how Reid and Dorsey want to do things than last season.

That quote is Andy Reid directly talking about the Desean Jackson/Dwayne Bowe dynamic.

Not a doubt in my mind.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

In a strange twist of fate here's another buddy of mine (both in LA) who met Cassel and hung out with him. This buddy is actually a Chiefs fan.

May your mother be ****ed by a tractor tire before getting facialed by Richard Simmons...by a fart.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

That quote is Andy Reid directly talking about the Desean Jackson/Dwayne Bowe dynamic.

Not a doubt in my mind.

Keep in mind that this was before Desean Jackson was officially a free agent. There was some speculation about him being traded, but not of him being cut.

I think Andy has a real bad taste in his mouth from some of the garbage he had to deal with. He had to deal with the TO nightmare. Asante Samuel and Asomugha were horrible locker room guys and Reid didn't get along with them. Meanwhile, I read that Reid was furious with Banner because he would always lowball his own guys.

[htismaqe]

Build through the draft, build through the draft.

Oh, except at the most important position on the field.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Build through the draft, build through the draft.

Oh, except at the most important position on the field.

Smith was 28 when they acquired him and he has been the best QB option over the past two free agencies and drafts with a NFC Championship game under his belt.

I don't see the problem here with this at all.

And they did manage to pick up Bray for basically free last year in UDFA. A guy who many were willing to spend a first or second rounder on.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by PGM

Oh for ****s sake

The whole team has to be rebuilt to be truly competitive. It's going to take two or three drafts like 2008 to be a complete team.

They need to play for 2018 and a handful of superbowls rather than the one and done every third year like their on track for now.

The sooner the FO realizes this the better.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Smith was 28 when they acquired him and he has been the best QB option over the past two free agencies and drafts with a NFC Championship game under his belt.

I don't see the problem here with this at all.

I don't have a problem with the move.

I have a problem with them putting so much effort into explaining to the fans that it's ALL about the draft when we can all plainly see that it's not.

This kind of doublespeak bullshit should have left with Pioli.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The whole team has to be rebuilt to be truly competitive. It's going to take two or three drafts like 2008 to be a complete team.

They need to play for 2018 and a handful of superbowls rather than the one and done every third year like their on track for now.

The sooner the FO realizes this the better.

I don't see where anyone was saying that they were going to be a Super Bowl team in 2013.

In fact, most guys figured that it would be 2015 that this team would be at their most competitive with the roster in place and proper building through the draft.

How many people thought that they would have gone 11-5 and in the playoffs last season? (Besides me, of course.)

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't have a problem with the move.

I have a problem with them putting so much effort into explaining to the fans that it's ALL about the draft when we can all plainly see that it's not.

This kind of doublespeak bullshit should have left with Pioli.

I don't see anyone saying that it's ALL about the draft. They brought in guys last year in FA at positions that needed immediate help in order for this team to be relatively competitive.

Dorsey said as much when he mentioned needing to break the culture of losing cycle with this team.

With those pieces in place, they will now go about building the team, filling in the pieces through the draft (for the most part). Like most good teams do.

I think you are taking too much of a "black or white/either or" perspective here.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The whole team has to be rebuilt to be truly competitive. It's going to take two or three drafts like 2008 to be a complete team.

They need to play for 2018 and a handful of superbowls rather than the one and done every third year like their on track for now.

The sooner the FO realizes this the better.

Um... no it won't.

2 very good drafts. Smart moves this season picking off the scrap pile. Good free agency moves in 2015 where we should have cap space. Extend Hali and Flowers to reasonable contracts to keep your window open a few more years as you try to draft a replacement.